2012 Presidential election

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Originally Posted by McCourt

I think there is a difference between two people of the same sex having intercourse and being gay/lesbian/transgender/bisexual. Anyone can sleep with someone of the same sex. What I have a problem with insofar as the Bachman Clinic is concerned it teaching young people that there is something wrong with being LGBT and needing to "fix" yourself. I personally believe that people are born LGBT or they are not. I also think they're fine just the way they are and if someone has an issue with them, they should be the ones to get fixed.

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YES!!

Palin, Bachmann blast Biden for alleged "terrorist" comment


Presidential candidate Michele Bachmann and possible presidential candidate Sarah Palin lambasted Vice President Joe Biden Monday night for negative comments he allegedly made about the Tea Party.
"They have acted like terrorists," Biden was said to have responded.

The Hill reports that in an e-mail Monday night, Bachmann, R-Minn., condemned Biden's alleged statement and called on the vice president to apologize.

"Only in the bizarro world of Washington is fiscal responsibility sometimes defined as terrorism," wrote the Tea Party favorite, according to the Hill.


And in a Monday night appearance on Fox News, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin said it was "vile" to use the word terrorist in reference to politicians who were "taking a stand." "We're getting kind of used to being called names. You know, racists and inciters of violence, and being accused with things we have nothing to do with," Palin told Fox News' Greta Van Susteren. "But I suppose it's a bit more appalling to have been called acting like terrorists today from he who is in second in command of the most powerful office in the world. It's quite appalling and cert proves how out of touch this White House is what it comes to realizing what the silent majority of Americans are seeing and feeling."
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...36-503544.html

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Palin needs to take a step back when accusing others of this kind of thing.

She's been throwing whatever was handy at the wall to see if it will stick ever since she entered the arena.

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Originally Posted by endsleigh03

Palin needs to take a step back when accusing others of this kind of thing.

She's been throwing whatever was handy at the wall to see if it will stick ever since she entered the arena.

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What happened to the tone in Washington? Biden is a VP.
The TEA (taxed enough already) stands for fiscal responsibility.
How does the word 'terrorist) play into that?

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Originally Posted by coconn04

What happened to the tone in Washington? Biden is a VP.
The TEA (taxed enough already) stands for fiscal responsibility.
How does the word 'terrorist) play into that?

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Explain to me how they think they are over taxed when they pay some of the lowest taxes in the industrialized world? Lowest taxes in 60 years. They are just brainwashed by the Koch's to think they are. They aren't terrorist, they are spoiled children throwing a tantrum for something they don't need. Fourteen million Americans are out of work, and luxury goods are flying off the shelves. The rich are apparently feeling OK.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/04/bu...y.html?_r=2&hp

Nordstrom has a waiting list for a Chanel sequined tweed coat with a $9,010 price. Neiman Marcus has sold out in almost every size of Christian Louboutin “Bianca” platform pumps, at $775 a pair. Mercedes-Benz said it sold more cars last month in the United States than it had in any July in five years.

Even with the economy in a funk and many Americans pulling back on spending, the rich are again buying designer clothing, luxury cars and about anything that catches their fancy. Luxury goods stores, which fared much worse than other retailers in the recession, are more than recovering — they are zooming. Many high-end businesses are even able to mark up, rather than discount, items to attract customers who equate quality with price.

“If a designer shoe goes up from $800 to $860, who notices?” said Arnold Aronson, managing director of retail strategies at the consulting firm Kurt Salmon, and the former chairman and chief executive of Saks.

I don't think it is a good idea to raise taxes in a struggling economy. The only thing left to do is to cut spending. I think Obama has said for the last couple of years that his focus is on jobs. Where are they?
I know there is all sort of talk about closing tax loopholes and such.
To me that is like a dog trying to chase it's tail.
We need to get all these government agencies in like with spending less before anything else goes forward.

Its sickening. People are getting their kids medicare cut so some pampered republican can get that $9000 coat that is made in a Chinese sweat shop.who is the one struggling?

We can make out on the sales tax on the coat. This is an extreme example.
The only companies making out are the companies who have invested in the emerging markets.
We need incentives to keep jobs here.

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

Its sickening. People are getting their kids medicare cut so some pampered republican can get that $9000 coat that is made in a Chinese sweat shop.who is the one struggling?

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So there are no rich democrats? I've seen Obama's tax return, he's pretty loaded and I'm sure his suits do not come from Walmart.

We always come back to the tax debate don't we? And I always ask, you want to raise taxes on the rich, how much is fair? 43% of the country doesn't pay a dime in income tax meanwhile the top 25% pay 60% or more of the income taxes.

Penalizing someone for hard work and success is generally not a good motivational exercise to induce entrepreneurship or productivity.

You want to close loopholes in the corporate tax structure, then I will agree with you all day.

We can't make out on the sales tax alone. Tell me why should the middle call and the poor make sacrifices to pay off the debt and not the rich? They are sacrificing nothing.

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Originally Posted by Paulination

So there are no rich democrats? I've seen Obama's tax return, he's pretty loaded and I'm sure his suits do not come from Walmart.

We always come back to the tax debate don't we? And I always ask, you want to raise taxes on the rich, how much is fair? 43% of the country doesn't pay a dime in income tax meanwhile the top 25% pay 60% or more of the income taxes.

Penalizing someone for hard work and success is generally not a good motivational exercise to induce entrepreneurship or productivity.

You want to close loopholes in the corporate tax structure, then I will agree with you all day.

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May be because those people that aren't paying taxes live paycheck to paycheck. When they get their refund, it is put back into the economy. They buy things they need to get ahead. Down payment on a car, kids braces. The rich dont spend nearly as much of thier income as the middle class or poor. They horde. The GOP like to whine about Obama being a socialist, the redistribution of wealth. A redistribution of wealth has been going on since 1980. The GOP idea of supply side economics has made the rich much richer, the poor more poorer and exploded the country's debt.

What do you see here? Simply put, When the rich have horded too much, there isnt going to be enough for anyone else. It all crashes down.
http://www.rebelcapitalist.com/image...s/cbppsaez.png

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

We can't make out on the sales tax alone. Tell me why should the middle call and the poor make sacrifices to pay off the debt and not the rich? They are sacrificing nothing.

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This is nice, I feel like we are IM each other:D.

What do you consider sacrifice? The rich pay the majority of the taxes. I realize that a guy who has 1,000,000 and pays 15% of that in taxes is not hurting meanwhile someone who has 30,000 and pays 15% of that might be.

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

May be because those people that aren't paying taxes live paycheck to paycheck. When they get their refund, it is put back into the economy. They buy things they need to get a head. The rich dont spend nearly as much of thier income as the middle class or poor. They horde. The GOP like to whine about Obama being a socialist, the redistribution of wealth. A redistribution of wealth has been going on since 1980. The GOP idea of supply side economics has made the rich much richer, the poor more poorer and exploded the country's debt.

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I'm not being critical of those that aren't paying the taxes. I understand it is tough out there and as a society, we are better off having the lower income folks keep every dollar.

So tell me what the argument here is. You are only allowed to keep a certain amount of money to yourself regardless of the fact that you earned it? Should the government audit your spending habits and then charge you a special percentage based on a formula that looks at income vs spending?

My biggest thing is stuff like the Carried interest loophole. The GOP fought tooth and nail to keep this one. Hedge fund manager's making BILLIONS paying a 15% tax rate because they consider their billion dollar bonus check's capitol gains. Their gardener is paying 35%. Boehner likes crying about punishing "job creators" How many people does a hedge fund manager employ? Butler's, Masseuse's? The tennis instructor that's banging his wife?

Another one is the Bush tax cuts were never meant to be permanent. Even the tax guru of the right Grover Norquist has said that allowing them to expire isn't raising taxes. Even Reagen realized when his tax cuts weren't working and were digging a hole, he raised taxes. The GOP of today is either too blind or too dependent on the Koch to see that. Im as liberal as Eisenhower was. If Reagan were here today, he would be a shunned by the party that idolize him.

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Originally Posted by Paulination

So there are no rich democrats? I've seen Obama's tax return, he's pretty loaded and I'm sure his suits do not come from Walmart.

We always come back to the tax debate don't we? And I always ask, you want to raise taxes on the rich, how much is fair? 43% of the country doesn't pay a dime in income tax meanwhile the top 25% pay 60% or more of the income taxes.

Penalizing someone for hard work and success is generally not a good motivational exercise to induce entrepreneurship or productivity.

You want to close loopholes in the corporate tax structure, then I will agree with you all day.

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Where do you get your percentages, cause they sure seem WRONG to me

Interesting....

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/who-pays-taxes

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/m...142445497.html

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Originally Posted by shipmatekate

Where do you get your percentages, cause they sure seem WRONG to me

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I was giving conservative estimates because I didn't feel like re-looking it up but it is actually more skewed than I said.

From an earlier post:

"The top 1% of wage earners pay 33.7% of all the individual federal taxes at an ave. % of 23.27. The top 10% of wage earners pay 69.94% of individual federal taxes at an ave. rate of 18.71 %.

The borrom 46% of wage earners in 2010 paid 0% in taxes. The right is not against taxing the wealthy, just taxing them disproportionately."

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

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Originally Posted by shipmatekate

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/m...142445497.html

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Why don't you hold the "illegal" judgement until this is figured out. I will give you the fact that it appears pretty shady and if I was Romney I would probably give it back or at least put the money into an escrow account until the exact nature of the donation is uncovered.

After supporting Obama, Roseann has defected We have a new candidate entering the 2012 race.
http://www.radaronline.com/sites/rad...osannebarr.png

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...-united-states
Roseanne's inspiration to do both a reality show, and quest for the Oval Office
, came from an unlikely source: Sarah Palin.
“That’s kinda what got me to thinking that I too should run for president, if she can,” Roseanne said.

Roseanne, 58, said she won't be running under the banner of the Democrat or Republican party: “I’m not for either party because they both suck and they’re both a bunch of criminals ... so I made up my own party, it’s America's Green Tea Party.”
Roseanne’s platforms: No taxes, forgive all student loans, legalize marijuana, eliminate money.
"Everything will be based on barter and growing and eating vegetables," she said.
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Having publicly supported then-candidate Obama in 2008, it's quite the defection.
Will she appeal to environmentalists? TV nostalgics? With the election just over a year away, the sky's the limit for the Green Tea Party -- and earthly bounds may become irrelevant if their number one campaign issue doesn't go up in smoke.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...=Entertainment

http://foxpoint.patch.com/articles/f...-recall-effort

Suspicious fire destroys Wisconsin recall HQ.

O.M.G...according to several local news stations, it seems that Idiot Perry is getting closer to announcing that he will run for POTUS. :rolleyes: So, Idiot Perry, if you do announce your intention this Saturday, that means we all SAW THROUGH your phony "prayerpalooza" BS as being nothing more than a political pandering rally. You have ruined our state, now you want to ruin the country even more than it already has been to date?!? How stupid would sheeple be to even think you are remotely capable of being POTUS? You are nothing but a figurehead in Texas government, while Lt. Governor David Dewhurst does all the real work. Can't stand you Idiot Perry, can't stand you. :mad::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes::eek:

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

http://foxpoint.patch.com/articles/f...-recall-effort

Suspicious fire destroys Wisconsin recall HQ.

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Wow. talk about under-reported

WAKE UP PEOPLE

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Originally Posted by cdolen

O.M.G...according to several local news stations, it seems that Idiot Perry is getting closer to announcing that he will run for POTUS. :rolleyes: So, Idiot Perry, if you do announce your intention this Saturday, that means we all SAW THROUGH your phony "prayerpalooza" BS, as being nothing more than a political pandering rally. You have ruined our state, now you want to ruin the country even more than it already is?!? How stupid would sheeple be to even think you are remotely capable of being POTUS? You are nothing but a figurehead in Texas government, while Lt. Governor David Dewhurst does all the real work. Can't stand you Idiot Perry, can't stand you. :mad::mad::rolleyes::eek:

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Hard to believe people are stoopid enough to fall for this BS
Scares the crap outta me:eek:

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Originally Posted by coconn04

What happened to the tone in Washington? Biden is a VP.
The TEA (taxed enough already) stands for fiscal responsibility.
How does the word 'terrorist) play into that?

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You are asking me what happened to the tone in Washington after everything we have seen and heard slung in the past few years?

:eek::eek::eek:

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Originally Posted by endsleigh03

You are asking me what happened to the tone in Washington after everything we have seen and heard slung in the past few years?

:eek::eek::eek:

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Dear god, how about the past few WEEKS????

Without taxes we do not have a country. How stupid can it get?

Speaking of the (many :rolleyes:) tones in Washington... remember when YOU LIE was shouted out at Obama?

That was the lovely Rep. Joe Wilson.


And that was just ONE incident.

Yeah, the tone among politicians is just great.

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Originally Posted by shipmatekate

Dear god, how about the past few WEEKS????

Without taxes we do not have a country. How stupid can it get?

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Who said anything about no taxes?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...183843082.html

That is a bad photo of Michele Bachmann.

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Originally Posted by endsleigh03

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...183843082.html

That is a bad photo of Michele Bachmann.

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Yes it is. Apparently shot when they were testing the lighting.

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Originally Posted by endsleigh03

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...183843082.html

That is a bad photo of Michele Bachmann.

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Michele Bachmann has a defender. Jon Stewart.

Michele Bachmann can be called many things, but you can't say she isn't photogenic. So says Jon Stewart as he becomes the latest to pile on to Newsweek's latest unfortunate-looking cover of the bewildered looking GOP presidential candidate. And it wasn't an accidental photo, he argued, before saying of Newsweek: "You've got to go pretty far out of your way to find a crappy photo of Michele Bachmann, and you did...why?" After batting down editor Tina Brown's assertion that it captured an image of her "intensity," he compared the cover to the movie poster of The 40 Year Old Virgin--which is pretty similar visually:

http://news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-de...130915625.html

Say good-bye to Romney ... :D

Between the LDS and the FLDS ... he's history, and not part of America's future.

(As if there wasn't enough, considering Romney's been for sale to the highest bidder throughout his political career).

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Originally Posted by coconn04

Michele Bachmann has a defender. Jon Stewart.

Michele Bachmann can be called many things, but you can't say she isn't photogenic. So says Jon Stewart as he becomes the latest to pile on to Newsweek's latest unfortunate-looking cover of the bewildered looking GOP presidential candidate. And it wasn't an accidental photo, he argued, before saying of Newsweek: "You've got to go pretty far out of your way to find a crappy photo of Michele Bachmann, and you did...why?" After batting down editor Tina Brown's assertion that it captured an image of her "intensity," he compared the cover to the movie poster of The 40 Year Old Virgin--which is pretty similar visually:

http://news.yahoo.com/jon-stewart-de...130915625.html

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I agree with Jon Stewart, and I'm not a supporter of her politically.

Neither is Jon Stewart! Women will always be treated differently by the media. Even if you don't agree with the women running for president, I think we need to realize that this is the template being set for women running for the highest office.
Hillary came the closest to doing it. It doesn't surprise me that Hilary was backstabbed by Oprah and the Kennedys when she thought she had their support.
We will continue to see different questions and profiles of women candidates that the media wouldn't dare ask Of men.

Mitt Romney ... "Corporations are my friend"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0....html#comments


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Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

Another graduate of the Palin school of, "If I say it they'll believe it."

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Originally Posted by Giada

Mitt Romney ... "Corporations are my friend"


Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

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I don't find this particularly out of line. It is not politically correct because alot of people don't understand corporations but nontheless there is truth to it.

When a corporation increases in value their shares go up which means the value to the share holder increases. Anyone with a 401K, IRA, Variable annuity, mutual funds or direct stocks benefits.

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Originally Posted by Giada

Mitt Romney ... "Corporations are my friend"

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Corporations are people, my friend... of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings my friend."

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Why do politicians constantly call people "my friend"? How irritating- they don't know me, I don't know them and I don't want to keep hearing "Well, my friend..." (I am NOT their friend- I am a stranger.) :rolleyes::mad:

John McCain was the WORST at doing this...every other word was "my friend" this and "my friend" that....

Im tired of the GOP phrase, "punishing job creators by taxes" The Corps have been paying low taxes for years and they're still not creating jobs here. Countries with lower taxes? Mexico and Turkey, How are they doing? About Romney's stump event, I like how he bragged the S&P upgraded Massachusetts credit while Governor, but he failed to say why. The dem before him raised taxes and made spending cuts.

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Originally Posted by cdolen

Why do politicians constantly call people "my friend"? How irritating- they don't know me, I don't know them and I don't want to keep hearing "Well, my friend..." (I am NOT their friend- I am a stranger.) :rolleyes::mad:

John McCain was the WORST at doing this...every other word was "my friend" this and "my friend" that....

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For me it goes far beyond friend ...

I want to know ...

Where you stand, what are your thoughts and ideas, and what do you plan to do.

Romney is a sycophant, and this is easily determined by videos up on you tube. He panders to his audience.

BTW ... one of the worst in my area is Brian Bilbray, (R) who will only respond to those who've contributed, "heavily," to his campaign.

I'm community active with CofC thoughout San Diego, and we're changing from red to blue.

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Originally Posted by Giada

For me it goes far beyond friend ...

I want to know ...

Where you stand, what are your thoughts and ideas, and what do you plan to do.

Romney is a sycophant, and this is easily determined by videos up on you tube. He panders to his audience.

BTW ... one of the worst in my area is Bill Bilbray, (R) who will only respond to those who've contributed, "heavily," to his campaign.

I'm community active with CofC thoughout San Diego, and we're changing from red to blue.

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...and now we have Idiot Perry (ashamed to say he is governor of my state) bringing up the rear of the GOP nomination. Or should I say rear end...of a horse. (no offense to horses) This guy gives a whole new definition to the term "jackass". :rolleyes::eek:

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Originally Posted by Giada

I'm community active with CofC thoughout San Diego, and we're changing from red to blue.

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Not really. I represent the benefits of 200 small businesses in San Diego and the owners I talk to are absolutely sickenned by Obama, Pelosi, Reid the whole lot of them.

I'm not saying they are enamored with the right either but the face of the current economic problems is the democrats whether it started with Bush or not.

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

Im tired of the GOP phrase, "punishing job creators by taxes" The Corps have been paying low taxes for years and they're still not creating jobs here. Countries with lower taxes? Mexico and Turkey, How are they doing? About Romney's stump event, I like how he bragged the S&P upgraded Massachusetts credit while Governor, but he failed to say why. The dem before him raised taxes and made spending cuts.

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I just giggle that using the word "rich" is now politically incorrect. We call them "job creators". LOL

Job creators. Sounds like some mythological class of deities. Possessing wealth is now translated as altruistic benefactor to the lower classes? Ugh.

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Originally Posted by pvezz

I just giggle that using the word "rich" is now politically incorrect. We call them "job creators". LOL

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If the rich spend money, where the middle class does not, who will be the losers? We have got to realize that demand for goods and services are with those spending money?.
If Americans create goods in demand, they will ProfIt!

What a joke. The middle class spend more of their income while the rich horde. In the United States today, the wealthiest one per cent of the population owns more than the bottom 95 per cent. No wonder the GOP loves them some trickle up economics.

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

What a joke. The middle class spend more of their income while the rich horde.

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Once again I pose the question, would you be infavor of some sort of spending mandate or special tax on the rich to un "horde" their money? Instead of complaining call your shot and then we can debate that. I'm not trying to be rude I just wish this particular debate would move to the next stage.

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Originally Posted by JefeStone

What a joke. The middle class spend more of their income while the rich horde. In the United States today, the wealthiest one per cent of the population owns more than the bottom 95 per cent. No wonder the GOP loves them some trickle up economics.

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Maybe the middle class are in the middle because they spend all their money. Not something to brag about, IMO. ;)

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Originally Posted by McCourt

Maybe the middle class are in the middle because they spend all their money. Not something to brag about, IMO. ;)

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Yeah its shameful to have a mortgage and car payments and a family with all its attendant needs.

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Originally Posted by McCourt

Maybe the middle class are in the middle because they spend all their money. Not something to brag about, IMO. ;)

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Yeah clothing and food are SUCH a waste of money

If rick perry gets in the race, I'm changing my vote to him.