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    Walter Scott 60s singer

    I looked and couldn't find a previous thread on this person. Saw it on Forensic Files.

    Scott disappeared shortly after Christmas 1983. In April 1987, Scott's body, having been hog-tied and shot in the back, was found floating face-down in a cistern. Saw it on Forensic Files.


    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...r&GRid=6859304
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Scott_(vocalist)

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    Nice find Sanddodger. Have never heard of him, but will read more. Thanks for posting

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    His song is a staple on You Tube, one of the greatest records ever made and one of the most ironic. These damn women, abusing men on the other spectrum. Great record. And yes this is very ironic. Walter did not deserve this. A great singer, he made his living singing. You have to be great , to do that. Here's his immortal song The Cheater with Walter on lead vocal. Great record. Bob Kuban on the drums.The song kicks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGsxrzgen8

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    Look out for the cheaters
    BY DAVID J. KRAJICEK
    SPECIAL TO THE NEWS
    Sunday, August 19th 2007, 4:00 AM

    In 1966, rock 'n' roll radio stations gave heavy play to a catchy single by a clean-cut St. Louis horn band called Bob Kuban and the In-Men. Walter Scott sang lead on the tune, written by the band's bass player. Even 40 years later, any Baby Boomer can sing along to the chorus:

    Look out for the cheater

    Make way for the fool-hearted clown

    Look out for the cheater

    He's gonna build you up just to let you down.

    "The Cheater" went to No. 12 on the pop charts and won drummer Kuban and his mates an appearance on "American Bandstand" on April 30, 1966. Just weeks later, the starry-eyed Scott - born Walter Scott Notheis - gave up his day job as a crane operator, quit the band and set out as a solo act in search of music fame. He believed he could be the next blue-eyed soul star, a la Johnny Rivers. It turned out he was more like Bruce Channel - a one-hit wonder.

    His solo records flopped, and Scott spent the next 17 years fronting cover bands that played journeyman gigs - weddings, clubs, street fairs, Pocono resorts. Each time he stepped in front of a microphone, he obligingly sang his one-hit song with that famous refrain: "Look out for the cheater."

    He should have listened.

    Fatal love quadrangle

    In 1983, Kuban began reassembling his old band for a reunion concert at Fox Theater in St. Louis, and Scott enthusiastically signed on. But as rehearsals were set to begin, the singer suddenly vanished. His second wife, Joann, a TV station secretary, said he left their lakeside home in the St. Louis suburb of St. Peters on Dec. 27, 1983, and did not return. His Lincoln was found at the St. Louis airport, searched at Joann Scott's suggestion.

    Mrs. Scott soon began keeping public company with Jim Williams, an electrical contractor. By strange coincidence, Williams' wife, Sharon, had died just 10 weeks before Scott disappeared, the victim of a peculiar car wreck. Her Cadillac had run into a ditch, and she was found tucked beneath the dashboard. The woman had a fatal wound to the back of her head, not to her forehead or face, as one might expect in such an accident. The woman's clothes were wet with gasoline, and a gas trail led a few yards away from the car - even though the gas tank had not been ruptured. A passerby had stomped out the flames before they reached the vehicle.

    Inexplicably, local authorities allowed the body to be buried without an autopsy. Amateur sleuths smelled a love quadrangle when Williams began canoodling with Mrs. Scott, but police and prosecutors were curiously unmotivated to pursue the potential murders.

    So Williams moved into the Scott marital bed in St. Peters, and Joann Scott filed for divorce, claiming abandonment. In 1986, she and Williams were married. The blissful couple might have lived happily ever after were it not for Walter Scott's parents, Walter and Kay Notheis. The couple was certain that Williams and their daughter-in-law were getting away with murder.

    The diminutive Notheises made a habit of cruising past their son's former home every so often to give the evil eye to Jim Williams, a mountain of a man at 6-feet-6 and 300 pounds, who was often working in the garage.

    "To see that guy in your own son's house, it just gripes me [to] no end," Walter Notheis told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    As months and years went by, the couple subtly pressed the sheriff, Edward Uebinger. He was finally moved to act in 1987, nearly four years along. Sharon Williams' body was exhumed on April 1 that year, and a forensic pathologist declared the death a clear case of homicide. The back of her head had been bashed twice with a metal object. The car wreck had been a ham-handed attempt to cover up murder, but it was good enough to have fooled the sheriff and his gumshoes.

    A few days later, investigators got around to asking Williams' two grown sons whether their father had a hiding place where he might have concealed a body. They suggested that lawmen have a look in a cistern buried in the backyard of his former home. On April 10, deputies removed the cistern lid and found the remains of Walter Scott floating in the water, bound at the ankles, knees and wrists. He had been shot through the heart.

    Jim Williams and Joann Scott Williams, the cheaters, were charged in both murders. The shoddy, slow-footed investigations provided defense attorneys with a briefcase full of legal ammunition, so it took another five years to get the cases into a courtroom.

    Long wait, quick trial

    Jim Williams finally went to trial in the fall of 1992, nine years after the two slayings. The jury learned that Williams had stalked Walter Scott in the days before he disappeared and had once asked an employee whether he could suggest a good hit man.

    The trial was mercifully swift for the loved ones of the victims, who had waited patiently for justice. After a week of testimony, jurors convicted Williams of both murders.

    Prosecutor Thomas Dittmeier argued for death.

    "This whole case turns on greed and convenience," he said. "If we aren't going to give the death penalty in this crime, what crime are we going to give it for?"

    But the jury voted to spare Williams, and he was sentenced to at least 50 years in prison. Fifteen years later, Williams resides at Missouri's Potosi prison, a maximum security facility south of St. Louis. He is now 68. His only prospect for freedom is an old-age mercy release.

    A few weeks after her husband was convicted, Joann Scott Williams agreed to plead guilty to hindering the prosecution. Murder charges were dropped, and she served just 18 months of a five-year sentence.

    In death, Walter Scott did gain a measure of rock 'n' roll immortality.

    "Look Out for the Cheater" earned Bob Kuban and the In-Men a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - as part of a display about one-hit wonders.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c..._cheaters.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlad View Post
    Nice find Sanddodger. Have never heard of him, but will read more. Thanks for posting
    You are welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Lights View Post
    Look out for the cheaters
    BY DAVID J. KRAJICEK
    SPECIAL TO THE NEWS
    Sunday, August 19th 2007, 4:00 AM

    In 1966, rock 'n' roll radio stations gave heavy play to a catchy single by a clean-cut St. Louis horn band called Bob Kuban and the In-Men. Walter Scott sang lead on the tune, written by the band's bass player. Even 40 years later, any Baby Boomer can sing along to the chorus:

    Look out for the cheater

    Make way for the fool-hearted clown

    Look out for the cheater

    He's gonna build you up just to let you down.

    "The Cheater" went to No. 12 on the pop charts and won drummer Kuban and his mates an appearance on "American Bandstand" on April 30, 1966. Just weeks later, the starry-eyed Scott - born Walter Scott Notheis - gave up his day job as a crane operator, quit the band and set out as a solo act in search of music fame. He believed he could be the next blue-eyed soul star, a la Johnny Rivers. It turned out he was more like Bruce Channel - a one-hit wonder.

    His solo records flopped, and Scott spent the next 17 years fronting cover bands that played journeyman gigs - weddings, clubs, street fairs, Pocono resorts. Each time he stepped in front of a microphone, he obligingly sang his one-hit song with that famous refrain: "Look out for the cheater."

    He should have listened.

    Fatal love quadrangle

    In 1983, Kuban began reassembling his old band for a reunion concert at Fox Theater in St. Louis, and Scott enthusiastically signed on. But as rehearsals were set to begin, the singer suddenly vanished. His second wife, Joann, a TV station secretary, said he left their lakeside home in the St. Louis suburb of St. Peters on Dec. 27, 1983, and did not return. His Lincoln was found at the St. Louis airport, searched at Joann Scott's suggestion.

    Mrs. Scott soon began keeping public company with Jim Williams, an electrical contractor. By strange coincidence, Williams' wife, Sharon, had died just 10 weeks before Scott disappeared, the victim of a peculiar car wreck. Her Cadillac had run into a ditch, and she was found tucked beneath the dashboard. The woman had a fatal wound to the back of her head, not to her forehead or face, as one might expect in such an accident. The woman's clothes were wet with gasoline, and a gas trail led a few yards away from the car - even though the gas tank had not been ruptured. A passerby had stomped out the flames before they reached the vehicle.

    Inexplicably, local authorities allowed the body to be buried without an autopsy. Amateur sleuths smelled a love quadrangle when Williams began canoodling with Mrs. Scott, but police and prosecutors were curiously unmotivated to pursue the potential murders.

    So Williams moved into the Scott marital bed in St. Peters, and Joann Scott filed for divorce, claiming abandonment. In 1986, she and Williams were married. The blissful couple might have lived happily ever after were it not for Walter Scott's parents, Walter and Kay Notheis. The couple was certain that Williams and their daughter-in-law were getting away with murder.

    The diminutive Notheises made a habit of cruising past their son's former home every so often to give the evil eye to Jim Williams, a mountain of a man at 6-feet-6 and 300 pounds, who was often working in the garage.

    "To see that guy in your own son's house, it just gripes me [to] no end," Walter Notheis told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

    As months and years went by, the couple subtly pressed the sheriff, Edward Uebinger. He was finally moved to act in 1987, nearly four years along. Sharon Williams' body was exhumed on April 1 that year, and a forensic pathologist declared the death a clear case of homicide. The back of her head had been bashed twice with a metal object. The car wreck had been a ham-handed attempt to cover up murder, but it was good enough to have fooled the sheriff and his gumshoes.

    A few days later, investigators got around to asking Williams' two grown sons whether their father had a hiding place where he might have concealed a body. They suggested that lawmen have a look in a cistern buried in the backyard of his former home. On April 10, deputies removed the cistern lid and found the remains of Walter Scott floating in the water, bound at the ankles, knees and wrists. He had been shot through the heart.

    Jim Williams and Joann Scott Williams, the cheaters, were charged in both murders. The shoddy, slow-footed investigations provided defense attorneys with a briefcase full of legal ammunition, so it took another five years to get the cases into a courtroom.

    Long wait, quick trial

    Jim Williams finally went to trial in the fall of 1992, nine years after the two slayings. The jury learned that Williams had stalked Walter Scott in the days before he disappeared and had once asked an employee whether he could suggest a good hit man.

    The trial was mercifully swift for the loved ones of the victims, who had waited patiently for justice. After a week of testimony, jurors convicted Williams of both murders.

    Prosecutor Thomas Dittmeier argued for death.

    "This whole case turns on greed and convenience," he said. "If we aren't going to give the death penalty in this crime, what crime are we going to give it for?"

    But the jury voted to spare Williams, and he was sentenced to at least 50 years in prison. Fifteen years later, Williams resides at Missouri's Potosi prison, a maximum security facility south of St. Louis. He is now 68. His only prospect for freedom is an old-age mercy release.

    A few weeks after her husband was convicted, Joann Scott Williams agreed to plead guilty to hindering the prosecution. Murder charges were dropped, and she served just 18 months of a five-year sentence.

    In death, Walter Scott did gain a measure of rock 'n' roll immortality.

    "Look Out for the Cheater" earned Bob Kuban and the In-Men a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - as part of a display about one-hit wonders.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_c..._cheaters.html

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    David's account of the Walter Scott has some flaws in it. Read the book "The Cheaters" by Scottie Priesmeyer (1997). Jim Williams got 2 life sentences for the murder of his wife Sharon and the murder of Walter (Notheis) Scott. JoAnn's married name to Walter was Mrs. JoAnn Notheis not Scott. James life sentences were concurrent and with out a chance of parole. The last I read of James Williams condition in prison was from his son in a post that Williams was on his "last leg". I have not heard or read that he was released on a "old age mercy release". While he was in prison he divorced JoAnn in 2007. JoAnn Williams, now living in St. Charles County, not far from Walter Scott's body was found, is still on the hook for charges of murder since they were only dropped for obstruction of justice. Therefore double indemity does not apply to her case. The evidence against James Williams leaves the possibility that he had an accomplice in the murders. This senerio is found in the conclusion in the book "The Cheaters". Check it out.

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    David's account of the Walter Scott has some flaws in it. Read the book "The Cheaters" by Scottie Priesmeyer (1997). Jim Williams got 2 life sentences for the murder of his wife Sharon and the murder of Walter (Notheis) Scott. JoAnn's married name to Walter was Mrs. JoAnn Notheis not Scott. James life sentences were concurrent and with out a chance of parole. The last I read of James Williams condition in prison was from his son in a post that Williams was on his "last leg". I have not heard or read that he was released on a "old age mercy release". While he was in prison he divorced JoAnn in 2007. JoAnn Williams, now living in St. Charles County, not far from Walter Scott's body was found, is still on the hook for charges of murder since they were only dropped for obstruction of justice. Therefore double indemity does not apply to her case. The evidence against James Williams leaves the possibility that he had an accomplice in the murders. This senerio is found in the conclusion in the book "The Cheaters". Check it out.
    Update on James Williams: He died in prison on Sept. 11, 2011!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by geekwanab View Post
    David's account of the Walter Scott has some flaws in it. Read the book "The Cheaters" by Scottie Priesmeyer (1997). Jim Williams got 2 life sentences for the murder of his wife Sharon and the murder of Walter (Notheis) Scott. JoAnn's married name to Walter was Mrs. JoAnn Notheis not Scott. James life sentences were concurrent and with out a chance of parole. The last I read of James Williams condition in prison was from his son in a post that Williams was on his "last leg". I have not heard or read that he was released on a "old age mercy release". While he was in prison he divorced JoAnn in 2007. JoAnn Williams, now living in St. Charles County, not far from Walter Scott's body was found, is still on the hook for charges of murder since they were only dropped for obstruction of justice. Therefore double indemity does not apply to her case. The evidence against James Williams leaves the possibility that he had an accomplice in the murders. This senerio is found in the conclusion in the book "The Cheaters". Check it out.
    UPDATE:
    James Williams is dead! He died in prison on Sept. 11, 2011!

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    Poor Walter Scott. He and Bob Kuban were big part of any St. Louis area kid's teenage years back in the 60's. It was alleged he had a big ego, but nothing justifies his terrible death. While I can't cheer anyone's death, Williams's recent passing closes a chapter on the tragedy.

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    I saw that too, I thought Bob Kuban was the victim. Another murder tragedy in the pop world. I know the song well, but it was never really one of my favorites.

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    I remember watching this episode of Forensic Files several years ago. I felt so sorry for Walter's elderly parents. His mom said they had him put into a mausoleum because they couldn't stand the thought of him underground after spending so much time in the sisterm before being found. I'm glad his murderer is dead.

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