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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttercup View Post
    If the buzz is true about hiring a lawyer, could Petrano and the rest of the gang (especially McQueary) be charged with "accessory after the fact"?
    If I'm right the most they can be charged with something they legally call Misprison in other terms they use Failure to report the crime.
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    My son a few years ago was arrested in a prescription drug sting. His only crime was calling a tapped phone of the ringleader who he went to grade school with.
    He talked skateboarding but because he called a tapped phone he got arrested first for conspiracy to sell then it got bumped down 2 other levels to failure to report.
    He learned that if someone asks you for this kids phone number and you write it down you're concidered a conspiritor. That's the way this piece of shit justice system
    in this piece of shit state work. I think the judges may have racial problems too. A man who lifted a pack of cookies got fined $100 he was black and the judge was black.
    My son who is white lifted a pack of Starburst and got fined $500.
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    They ALL need to be brought up on some kind of charges!!!

    So PED State will "protect" their coach from getting death threats, but ther won't protect the CHILDREN that are getting RAPED in their campus showers... That speaks VOLUMES to me...

    If I walked into my Boss's office right now and he was raping a 10 year old kid - the last thing I would do would be to make eye contact, back out of the office and LET HIM FINISH!!!!!!! WTF? That is basically what everyone involved in this scandal did - LET HIM FINISH!!

    How about grab the kid and call the cops!! FUCK chain of command orders and all that HR BS - you just were an eyewitness to a child being RAPED... Anyone and everyone who heard anything about this and did not go to the Police immediately are just as guilty as the fawker in the shower....

    Basically they are saying to hell with this kid - what about me and my job!!! SELFISH SICK BASTARDS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sablegsd View Post
    1. He should have beat the shit out of sandusky and called the cops, immediately.
    2. What kind of pussified piece of shit has to call daddy to find out what to do? He was 28.
    3. He should already be fired and he damn well should have charges brought. If the rest turns out to be true, the whole damn campus should be bulldozed.
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    The judge who released Sandusky on bail is a volunteer for his old charity

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    Update from NBC News:

    Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary, placed on administrative leave late last week after being identified as the member of the PSU staff who saw former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky allegedly sexually attacking a young boy in 2002, has sent an e-mail to former teammates clarifying his actions, NBC News reported Monday night.
    In the e-mail the network said it obtained, McQueary told some former Penn State teammates: "I did the right thing ... you guys know me ... the truth is not out there fully ... I didn't just turn and run ... I made sure it stopped ... I had to make quick, tough decisions."
    So, if that is true, why was that little detail not in the grand jury report?
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    UNREAL. VILE. REPULSIVE...

    Jerry Sandusky Hammered by Bob Costas...(video clip from phone interview)


    http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/14/jerry-...-costas-video/

    Jerry Sandusky to Bob Costas in exclusive 'Rock Center' interview: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids.'
    (complete video and phone interview)

    http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_new...ith-those-kids

    AND an even more DISTURBING video...a Sandusky interview from 1987:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540...85321#45285321
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    Is he really stupid enough to think that he could say that he was taking showers with young boys, but he never had sexual contact with them? Yeah, dumbass, that's really believable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy View Post
    Is he really stupid enough to think that he could say that he was taking showers with young boys, but he never had sexual contact with them? Yeah, dumbass, that's really believable!
    Did anyone else think Sandusky was channeling Nixon? "I am NOT a crook....."

    He showered with boys. He "horsed" around with boys in the showers. They may have done the towel-flip thing. He even admitted to touching a boy's leg in a nonsexual manner. But he's not a pedophile. Hmmmmm....

    I was thinking about his wife. I wonder if she knew anything? Usually the wives do know IMO whether they admit it or not. I think he just got way too big for his britches and thought he would never get in trouble for this.
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    I cannot understand the assistant walking in on a rape (a 10 yr old cannot consent) and not doing something. I'd probably have cracked the guy on the head with something!

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    For all the curses ever spoke this guy is one sick fellow.

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    His house is situated such that he can see the elementary school playground from his back deck. This man set himself up to be around children morning noon and night. Sick f*ck........I hope he likes Bubba "horsing around" in the showers......cause it will be a whole new game then.....

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    He is a pedophile and a rapist, completely in denial, with rotten with a sense of entitlement. Notice how quickly he turns the situation around so that HE’S the victim.

    He's just like OJ. He wants control of everything. Including your opinion of him.

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    I cannot think of one goddamn reason this man should be in the shower with a 10 year old. This case has me so upset considering I have a 10 year old son. I cannot quit thinking of this monster and what he has done to who knows how many children.

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    I was just reading (again) some of the Costas interview where Sandusky says he did not sexually abuse children. Something clicked with me ---- I bet its so easy for him to lie because in his mind he isnt raping or abusing the boys. Either they want it or his needs take precedent over anything else. And that isnt abuse in his sicko mind. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammy View Post
    Is he really stupid enough to think that he could say that he was taking showers with young boys, but he never had sexual contact with them? Yeah, dumbass, that's really believable!
    LOL!! OMG - that is almost as unbelievable as another Superstar's claim to have "slept in the same bed", but had no sexual contact... =) Sorry - couldn't help myself. They are all freakin sicko's!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shejay View Post
    LOL!! OMG - that is almost a unbelievable as another Superstar's claim to have "slept in the same bed", but had no sexual contact... =) Sorry - couldn't help myself. They are all freakin sicko's!!!
    You read my mind! I typed that in my post above but then erased it. This case reminds me exactly of MJ. I always tended to straddle the fence with him and the accusations. One book I read I thought......yeah, he did. But later on........no, it was all about money. But this Penn case has me rethinking that some of these folks are great liars because, to them, its not a lie. JMO

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    Sandusky's attorney: Showering with kids doesnt make him guilty.

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45302183/ns/today-today_people/


    “The easy answer is he didn’t use a whole lot of common sense because obviously he had the warning in the late ‘90s, in the 1998 situation, and certainly should’ve ceased it then,’’ Amendola told TODAY about Sandusky's showering with boys. “I’ve grilled him on that many times, but showering with kids doesn’t make him guilty.’’
    I remember thinking that about MJ. Why would you continue to do something that makes you look guilty?

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    At least 10 new victims have emerged.. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57324884/more-sandusky-accusers-come-forward/


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    believe his wife knew what he was doing, as well. If your husband is bringing home several little boys (over the course of at LEAST 15 years), and putting them in his basement, and disappearing from your bed at night, you would think you'd get a BIT suspicious.

    I don't know about the law, but could the judge, who they've deemed to possibly have a conflict of interest because of her affiliation with Second Mile, have her decision on his bail revoked, and force him to have another bail hearing?

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    i do believe he is guilty, but my question is why now, why are people just now coming out and saying something. IF it was so so horrible then and there were that many victims at least a handful would of said something then, scared or not.

    but nevertheless its awful what he did, and how he fucked up the trust and name for penn state. And the scary part is Im sure penn state isn't the only uni to have pedophiles pulling on their pudd around the locker rooms at night.

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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/15/penn-state-mcqueary-sandusky.ap/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a6&eref=sihp

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    o now the witness Mcqueary, says he did call police after he stopped the incident. If the is true then it should have been out of the hands of Paterno. It sounds like this guy cant get his story straight. If he is the main witness, the prosecution is in trouble. All the victims i hear about are just talking about sueing the school, not putting Sandusky away. Something is amiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjbrasher View Post
    i do believe he is guilty, but my question is why now, why are people just now coming out and saying something. IF it was so so horrible then and there were that many victims at least a handful would of said something then, scared or not.

    but nevertheless its awful what he did, and how he fucked up the trust and name for penn state. And the scary part is Im sure penn state isn't the only uni to have pedophiles pulling on their pudd around the locker rooms at night.
    Speaking as a sexual abuse victim, myself, I can tell you that it took a LONG TIME for me to be able to even tell my mother what had happened. I, too, was a child, and trust me, it's a very scary situation. To add to these young men's situation is the fact Sandusky had a HUGE following, as did/does Penn State. These children were considered "underprivileged," therefore their stories might not have been perceived as credible. This is what Sandusky banked on when he created this organization. What better way for a pedophile to further his exploits than to create a camp for children with bad home-lives, in order to prey upon the unfortunate and shower them with gifts to keep their mouths shut. They were probably not only afraid of not being believed, but afraid of the controversy, as well as the personal repercussions that followed their accusations (though it hasn't yet been proven, remember the above-referenced attorney that "disappeared" after getting involved in this debacle)?

    In following this story intensely, I can say for certain that I totally understand their fear. Even the JUDGE in this case had connections to Second Mile and Sandusky. I'm just glad they're coming forth, now. It's an intensely brave thing to do. Furthermore, I honestly don't believe that 19 (I think that's the official count, as of this morning) young men would exaggerate their stories.
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    I'd like to quote a friend of mine from Facebook...
    "Fuck Joe Paterno, Fuck Penn State, and Fuck Football."

    I tend to agree. Fuck em.

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    everything other then football can be fucked, but i would die if i didnt have my football lol I look forward to football season for 5 reasons. 1) its football season duh=) 2) yay kids go back to school thank you tax paid babysisters 3) when football starts you know happy holidays such as free candy, pumpkin pie and gifts are coming 4) a good reason to drink beer on the weekend =) 5) gives me a chance to scream, throw shit at the tv and pout/cry like my kids.
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    i am so sorry for the situation you was put in, in the past. I hope some positive healing mentally, spiritual and physically has came your way. And thank you for giving me your insite on this, I now have a better perspective and understand, how and where they are coming from now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jenivere2011 View Post
    Speaking as a sexual abuse victim, myself, I can tell you that it took a LONG TIME for me to be able to even tell my mother what had happened. I, too, was a child, and trust me, it's a very scary situation. To add to these young men's situation is the fact Sandusky had a HUGE following, as did/does Penn State. These children were considered "underprivileged," therefore their stories might not have been perceived as credible. This is what Sandusky banked on when he created this organization. What better way for a pedophile to further his exploits than to create a camp for children with bad home-lives, in order to prey upon the unfortunate and shower them with gifts to keep their mouths shut. They were probably not only afraid of not being believed, but afraid of the controversy, as well as the personal repercussions that followed their accusations (though it hasn't yet been proven, remember the above-referenced attorney that "disappeared" after getting involved in this debacle)?

    In following this story intensely, I can say for certain that I totally understand their fear. Even the JUDGE in this case had connections to Second Mile and Sandusky. I'm just glad they're coming forth, now. It's an intensely brave thing to do. Furthermore, I honestly don't believe that 19 (I think that's the official count, as of this morning) young men would exaggerate their stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenivere2011 View Post
    Speaking as a sexual abuse victim, myself, I can tell you that it took a LONG TIME for me to be able to even tell my mother what had happened. I, too, was a child, and trust me, it's a very scary situation. To add to these young men's situation is the fact Sandusky had a HUGE following, as did/does Penn State. These children were considered "underprivileged," therefore their stories might not have been perceived as credible. This is what Sandusky banked on when he created this organization. What better way for a pedophile to further his exploits than to create a camp for children with bad home-lives, in order to prey upon the unfortunate and shower them with gifts to keep their mouths shut. They were probably not only afraid of not being believed, but afraid of the controversy, as well as the personal repercussions that followed their accusations (though it hasn't yet been proven, remember the above-referenced attorney that "disappeared" after getting involved in this debacle)?

    In following this story intensely, I can say for certain that I totally understand their fear. Even the JUDGE in this case had connections to Second Mile and Sandusky. I'm just glad they're coming forth, now. It's an intensely brave thing to do. Furthermore, I honestly don't believe that 19 (I think that's the official count, as of this morning) young men would exaggerate their stories.
    I am so sorry that you had to experience something like this first hand, it is awful and I wish we could purge our world of all of the sick people that abuse young people. One of my good friends was abused as a child and she has shared some of her story with me. From what I understand the shame is so hard to overcome, most kids feel like it is their fault and most pedophiles know how to manipulate the situation and make the kids feel like they shouldn't tell because the abuser would get in trouble. Sometimes the relationship between the abuser and victim becomes very convoluted and confusing and scars the kids for life.



    I bet Sandusky was an absolute pro at this, in fact it seems like he set his whole life up to abuse children without getting caught. He preyed on the kids that didn't have strong home lives and people looking out for them. He set himself up as a good and moral community leader who loved kids and that no one would suspect of such dark and twisted behavior. He knew that the kids would be afraid to come forward and I have no doubt he told them no one would believe them or that it was "what they needed" (it gave me chills to hear him say that in the 1987 interview). He could have taught a master class in pedophilia. Just looking at him makes my skin crawl.

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    This came after Franco spoke out in support of Joe Paterno. Not very good timing, to be honest...
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    Quote Originally Posted by slingshot View Post
    You read my mind! I typed that in my post above but then erased it. This case reminds me exactly of MJ. I always tended to straddle the fence with him and the accusations. One book I read I thought......yeah, he did. But later on........no, it was all about money. But this Penn case has me rethinking that some of these folks are great liars because, to them, its not a lie. JMO
    I am right there with you - I hope they nail this bastard to the wall - starting with his ballsack... Too bad for him he doesn't have the $ or the fame that MJ did to protect his sorry ass.
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    No one answered me. If Mcqueary did call the police on Sandusky, and they investigated and found no crime was committed, why should Paterno call them again? Paterno told the president of the school. The police did a investigation. What more could Paterno do? You want him to go Charles Bronson Deathwish status? There is too many conflicting stories. Go back and read about the Duke Lacross gang rape case and see what im talking about. The falsely accused players were paid 30 million dollar cash settlements, Duke was dragged through the mud and the prosecuting DA lost his career, for doing his job. If you accuse someone and don't have all the facts, the ramifications are serious.
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    Jefe, I dont know that you can get and black and white answer to your question at this time. Its all subjective. And highly emotional. I doubt any of us will ever know the absolute facts of the case, who said what to whom, what was or was not done.

    My personal feeling is that Joe knew McQueary and Sandusky for a long, long time. I dont think this is something that can be hid well. It had to come out in bits and pieces over the years (if its all true). During times of drinking at parties or whatever. Its all about your own morals and values. Joe has come out to say he wished he had done more. Now, is that because Joe and company are in trouble now or is it because Joe really feels that way? If he is being honest with himself, Joe probably knew it was all true but opening that can of worms would be too great an embarrassment for the school and all involved. Not to mention all the money and potential school enrollments. Joe obviously was comfortable with not mentioning it further but I think its because he didnt want the house to fall. Not because he thought it was a false allegation. Also, what motivation would McQueary have to frame Sandusky?

    Due to the severity of the situation, I think Joe should have continued to pursue the matter. Its not like someone made an inappropriate comment, etc. What was going thru Joe's mind when McQueary told him this? Did he not trust this man he has worked with and knew personally for many years? Its time people understand that this type behavior will not be tolerated anymore. And if Joe is to be made the example, then so be it. My God, we are so money-oriented in this country. Hell, Joe stands to make millions in retirement depending on how long he lives. Still lots of unanswered questions at this point. I hope the time will come when its all layed out for us and we can see who really dropped the ball. Ugh, pun not intended.....

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    If this was posted earlier, Moderator, please delete. Here is the transcript of the Costas interview.

    Read Bob Costas' full interview with the former Penn State coach accused of sexually assaulting young boys over the course of 15 years and the lawyer that will represent him. .

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    BOB COSTAS: Mr. Sandusky, there's a 40-count indictment. The grand jury report contains specific detail. There are multiple accusers, multiple eyewitnesses to various aspects of the abuse. A reasonable person says where there's this much smoke, there must be plenty of fire. What do you say?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I say that I am innocent of those charges.
    BOB COSTAS: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Well I could say that, you know, I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their leg. Without intent of sexual contact. But -- so if you look at it that way - there are things that wouldn't -- you know, would be accurate.
    BOB COSTAS: Are you denying that you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Yes, I -- yes I am.
    BOB COSTAS: Never touched their genitals? Never engaged in oral sex?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Right.
    BOB COSTAS: What about Mike McQueary, the grad assistant who in 2002 walked into the shower where he says in specific detail that you were forcibly raping a boy who appeared to be 10 or 11 years old? That his hands were up against the shower wall and he heard rhythmic slap, slap, slapping sounds and he described that as a rape?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I would say that that's false.
    BOB COSTAS: What would be his motive to lie?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: You'd have to ask him that.
    BOB COSTAS: What did happen in the shower the night that Mike McQueary happened upon you and the young boy?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Okay, we -- we were showering and -- and horsing around. And he actually turned all the showers on and was -- actually sliding -- across the -- the floor. And we were -- as I recall possibly like snapping a towel, horseplay.
    BOB COSTAS: In 1998, a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. Two detectives eavesdrop on a conversation with you, and you admit that maybe your private parts touched her son. What happened there?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I can't exactly recall what was said there. In terms of -- what I did say was that if he felt that way, then I was wrong,
    BOB COSTAS: Innocent? Completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Well I could say that, you know, I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them and I have touched their leg. Without intent of sexual contact. But -- so if you look at it that way - there are things that wouldn't -- you know, would be accurate
    BOB COSTAS: Are you denying that you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Yes, I -- yes I am.
    BOB COSTAS: Never touched their genitals? Never engaged in oral sex?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Right.
    BOB COSTAS: What about Mike McQueary, the grad assistant who in 2002 walked into the shower where he says in specific detail that you were forcibly raping a boy who appeared to be 10 or 11 years old? That his hands were up against the shower wall and he heard rhythmic slap, slap, slapping sounds and he described that as a rape?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I would say that that's false.
    BOB COSTAS: What would be his motive to lie?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: You'd have to ask him that.
    BOB COSTAS: What did happen in the shower the night that Mike McQueary happened upon you and the young boy?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Okay, we -- we were showering and -- and horsing around. And he actually turned all the showers on and was -- actually sliding -- across the -- the floor. And we were -- as I recall possibly like snapping a towel, horseplay.
    BOB COSTAS: In 1998, a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. Two detectives eavesdrop on a conversation with you, and you admit that maybe your private parts touched her son. What happened there?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I can't exactly recall what was said there. In terms of -- what I did say was that if he felt that way, then I was wrong,
    BOB COSTAS: During one of those conversations, you said, "I understand, I was wrong, I wish I could get forgiveness," speaking now with the mother. "I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead." A guy falsely accused or a guy whose actions have been misinterpreted doesn't respond that way, does he?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I don't know. I didn't say, to my recollection that I wish I were dead. I was hopeful that we could reconcile things.
    BOB COSTAS: Shortly after that in 2000, a janitor said that he saw you performing oral sex on a young boy in the showers, in the Penn State locker facility. Did that happen?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No.
    BOB COSTAS: How could somebody think they saw something as extreme and shocking as that when it hadn't occurred, and what would possibly be their motivation to fabricate it?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: You'd have to ask them.
    BOB COSTAS: It seems that if all of these accusations are false, you are the unluckiest and most persecuted man that any of us has ever heard about.
    JERRY SANDUSKY: (Laughs) I don't know what you want me to say. I don't think that these have been the best days of my life.
    Interview with Sandusky's attorney Joseph Amendola
    BOB COSTAS: You said a few days ago much more is going to come out in our defense. In broad terms, what?
    JOE AMENDOLA: We expect we're going to have a number of kids. Now how many of those so-called eight kids, we're not sure. But we anticipate we're going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say this never happened. This is me. This is the allegation. It never occurred. In fact, one of the toughest allegations -- the McQueary violations -- what McQueary said he saw, we have information that that child says that never happened. Now grown up... now the person's in his 20s.
    BOB COSTAS Until now, we were told that that alleged victim could not be identified, you have iden--?
    JOSEPH AMENDOLA: By the commonwealth.
    JOSEPH AMENDOLA: By the commonwealth.
    BOB COSTAS: You have identified?
    JOSEPH AMENDOLA: We think we have
    BOB COSTAS: So you found him, the commonwealth has not?
    JOSEPH AMENDOLA: Interesting, isn't it?
    BOB COSTAS: Would you allow your own children to be alone with your client?
    JOE AMENDOLA: Absolutely. I believe in Jerry's innocence. Quite honestly, Bob, that's why I'm involved in the case.
    BOB COSTAS: You believe in his innocence?
    JOE AMENDOLA: His innocence.
    BOB COSTAS: To your knowledge did Joe Paterno at any time ever speak to you directly about your behavior?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No.
    BOB COSTAS: Never?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No.
    BOB COSTAS: He never asked you about what you might have done? He never asked you if you needed help? If you needed counseling?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No. No.
    BOB COSTAS: Never? Never expressed disapproval of any kind?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No.
    BOB COSTAS: How do you feel about what has happened to Penn State to Joe Paterno, and to the Penn State football program and your part in it
    SANDUSKY: How would you think that I would feel about a university that I attended, about people that I've worked with, about people that I care so much about? And I mean how do you think I would feel about it? I feel horrible.
    BOB COSTAS: You feel horrible. Do you feel culpable?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: I'm not sure I know what you mean.
    BOB COSTAS: Do you feel guilty? Do you feel as if it's your fault?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Guilty?
    BOB COSTAS: This is your fault?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No I don't think it's my fault. I've obviously played a part in this.
    BOB COSTAS: How would you define the part you played? What are you willing to concede that you've done that was wrong and you wish you had not done it?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Well, in retrospect, I -- you know, I shouldn't in retrospect, I -- you know, I shouldn't have showered with those kids. You know.
    BOB COSTAS: That's it?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Well that -- yeah, that's what hits me the most.
    BOB COSTAS: Are you a pedophile?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: No.
    BOB COSTAS: Are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underage boys?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Am I sexually attracted to underage boys?
    BOB COSTAS: Yes.
    JERRY SANDUSKY: Sexually attracted, you know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys.
    BOB COSTAS: Obviously you're entitled to a presumption of innocence and you'll receive a vigorous defense. On the other hand, there is a tremendous amount of information out there and fair-minded common sense people have concluded that you are guilty of monstrous acts. And they are particularly unforgiving with the type of crimes that have been alleged here. And so millions of Americans who didn't know Jerry Sandusky's name until a week ago now regard you not only as a criminal, but I say this I think in a considered way, but as some sort of monster. How do you respond to them?
    JERRY SANDUSKY: And I don't know what I can say or what I could say that would make anybody feel any different now. I would just say that if somehow people could hang out until my attorney has a chance to fight, you know, for my innocence. That’s about all I could ask right now. And you know, obviously, it's a huge challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    No one answered me. If Mcqueary did call the police on Sandusky, and they investigated and found no crime was committed, why should Paterno call them again? Paterno told the president of the school. The police did a investigation. What more could Paterno do? You want him to go Charles Bronson Deathwish status? There is too many conflicting stories. Go back and read about the Duke Lacross gang rape case and see what im talking about. The falsely accused players were paid 30 million dollar cash settlements, Duke was dragged through the mud and the prosecuting DA lost his career, for doing his job. If you accuse someone and don't have all the facts, the ramifications are serious.
    I realize reputations can be obliterated from false accustations. Perhaps in general you can compare Duke to the Penn scandal but it was two totally different circumstances. Drugs and alcohol were involved. Plus racial tensions. IIRC, no one witnessed a rape. Yes there appeared to be a rush to judgement. And yes it was proven the accuser lied. But Duke lacrosse-merchandise purchases tripled in the early months of 2006 when all that started. Total opposite here --- definitely no rush to judgment. JMO

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    So, Sandusky admits in the interview that maybe genitals touched in the shower. And that Joe never talked to him about the incident. Hmmmmm.

    Does that make sense? Demigod Joe never once asked Sandusky anything about the incident? Wonder if that is what Joe is sorry about when he said he wished he did more? Doesnt say too much for Joe's relationship with McQueary IMO.

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    I guess you missed the part where Sandusky's supposed victim says McQueary's version didnt happen.

    BOB COSTAS: You said a few days ago much more is going to come out in our defense. In broad terms, what?

    JOE AMENDOLA: We expect we're going to have a number of kids. Now how many of those so-called eight kids, we're not sure. But we anticipate we're going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say this never happened. This is me. This is the allegation. It never occurred. In fact, one of the toughest allegations -- the McQueary violations -- what McQueary said he saw, we have information that that child says that never happened. Now grown up... now the person's in his 20s
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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    I guess you missed the part where Sandusky's supposed victim is going to testify that McQueary's version didnt happen.
    You think McQueary lied about the whole thing? Or just some of it? I dont understand what his motive would be.

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    Lawyer Says Alleged Sandusky Victim Will Testify to Severe Sexual Assault.

    Ben Andreozzi, a Pennsylvania lawyer representing one of eight alleged victims in the Penn State sexual child abuse case, called Jerry Sandusky a “coward” on Wednesday and said that Sandusky’s recent comments on television had emboldened his client to pursue sexual assault charges against Sandusky.
    Andreozzi said his client, now in his 20s, met Sandusky through Sandusky’s charity, the Second Mile. He said he had been around Sandusky for several years and was assaulted multiple times. Andreozzi has also advised other alleged victims in the case and said he was meeting with another potential victim this week.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sp...usky-case.html

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    Im just puzzled about why his story has changed so many times.

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    That isnt the same victim that Mqueary seen in the shower. They better have eyewitnesses to the other kids. Lawsuits can make people say anything. Dont you think its weird that they found all these people but the conveniently could not find the victim that there was a supposed witness? The defense found him quite easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    I guess you missed the part where Sandusky's supposed victim says McQueary's version didnt happen.

    BOB COSTAS: You said a few days ago much more is going to come out in our defense. In broad terms, what?

    JOE AMENDOLA: We expect we're going to have a number of kids. Now how many of those so-called eight kids, we're not sure. But we anticipate we're going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say this never happened. This is me. This is the allegation. It never occurred. In fact, one of the toughest allegations -- the McQueary violations -- what McQueary said he saw, we have information that that child says that never happened. Now grown up... now the person's in his 20s
    They expect to have a number of kids say it never happened? I guess we will see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    That isnt the same victim that Mqueary seen in the shower. They better have eyewitnesses to the other kids.
    DO you think he's totally innocent or are you upset over the rush to judgement?

    And yes I realize thats a different kid.

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    I dont know what to think, I dont know enough, but I do think Paterno got a raw deal. The Police were called after the incident, Paterno told his Superior's what happened. What more was he supposed to do? If the police found no evidence, if the victim says nothing happened, what else could he do. I just think there was a major rush to judgement. Careers have been ended already and there hasnt been one day of court yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JefeStone View Post
    I dont know what to think, I dont know enough, but I do think Paterno got a raw deal. The Police were called after the incident, Paterno told his Superior's what happened. What more was he supposed to do? If the police found no evidence, if the victim says nothing happened, what else could he do. I just think there was a major rush to judgement. Careers have been ended already and there hasnt been one day of court yet.
    Its not that I dont understand your point. There is a lot of info out there, some of it confusing and contradictory. This is an emotional topic for people. And also Joe's firing and everything else is a sign of our times. I think the school was scared to death to sit on this for fear of being labeled a pedophile haven or something like that. They apparently are ready to take that chance. If it all turns out to be false, the school will still be sitting pretty IMO because children were involved. It looks good that they jumped in, even if they are wrong. Like you said, some careers will be tarnished. But I still have to wonder what Joe means when he said he sorry he didnt do more. Well, we shall see I suppose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjbrasher View Post
    i am so sorry for the situation you was put in, in the past. I hope some positive healing mentally, spiritual and physically has came your way. And thank you for giving me your insite on this, I now have a better perspective and understand, how and where they are coming from now.
    Thanks for your comment, and to everyone else who wished me well. My abuse happened from age 2-6, so I was younger than these victims, but I think it's all the same, when it comes down to it....devastating.

    I hope I didn't come off as being rude or harsh in my previous comment. Sometimes, online, it's tough to get things across without sounding like a butthole. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenivere2011 View Post
    Thanks for your comment, and to everyone else who wished me well. My abuse happened from age 2-6, so I was younger than these victims, but I think it's all the same, when it comes down to it....devastating.

    I hope I didn't come off as being rude or harsh in my previous comment. Sometimes, online, it's tough to get things across without sounding like a butthole. :P
    Wow, I too am sorry for what you went thru. Age 2-6? OMG, I dont know what to say.......

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    I listened to the interview where he was asked 'Are you sexually attracted to young boys'? Sandusky answered by repeating the question. 'Am I sexually attracted to young boys? Sexually attracted, you know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys. '?WTF? If I were asked this question I would scream "NOOOO!!!" - It was really creepy to hear him say that - to me it sounded like someone lying and trying to justify himself in his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michihunt View Post
    I listened to the interview where he was asked 'Are you sexually attracted to young boys'? Sandusky answered by repeating the question. 'Am I sexually attracted to young boys? Sexually attracted, you know, I enjoy young people. I love to be around them. But no I'm not sexually attracted to young boys. '?WTF? If I were asked this question I would scream "NOOOO!!!" - It was really creepy to hear him say that - to me it sounded like someone lying and trying to justify himself in his mind.

    And isnt that a sign of lying --- repeating the question? LOL, I watch way too much Law and Order....

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    Hmmm - Me says Joe P knew what was up.... http://www.thesuperficial.com/joe-pa...candal-11-2011
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    Another source since I know some people are not gonna believe "The Superficial"...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/sp...ife-for-1.html
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    I have a "hunch" that the cops were not called - I think McQueary, is trying to save his own ass because he is now seeing how shit rolls down hill - as he should. As they ALL should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shejay View Post
    Hmmm - Me says Joe P knew what was up.... http://www.thesuperficial.com/joe-pa...candal-11-2011
    I saw this while surfing. I think they tried to play it off (in the article I read) to be a retirement/planning ahead type thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shejay View Post
    I have a "hunch" that the cops were not called - I think McQueary, is trying to save his own ass because he is now seeing how shit rolls down hill - as he should. As they ALL should.
    Jefe was saying the cops were called. I've read a zillion articles on this but I didnt recall the cops being called. I prolly missed it though, getting everything all meshed together. I was thinking it didnt go past the university level. What I'm remembering maybe old news though. That Joe told Sandusky that he (Joe) would take care of it.

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