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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebud666 View Post
    You forgot to point out President Obama's decided lack of leadership in finding the missing fliers. This and your failure to place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the secret international financial cartel make me suspect that you are not telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerez View Post
    I blame Fox News for Earhart's disappearance and for orchestrating the cover-up.
    Yes, Fox news watchers it's all about Benghazi cover up.
    Also Barack O'Bama was born in Kenya
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    I think I recall there was a war in this area once, and lots of planes got wrecked, or something. Wasn't it in all the papers?

    The aluminum would have long ago turned to oxide, the bones would have long dissolved. The shoes or boots would possibly remain, as would jackets. No skin, no proteins, not much at all. Even if a micro-sub was to go down and photograph the wreckage, it would damned hard to say what is was to a high degree of certainty. A wrecked plane? Possibly. A big wrecked plane? Probably. A specific Lockheed Elektra, carrying two celebrated lost pilots? Only if you can pull off a builders plate or is has somehow not accrued corals all over it.

    They've found piece of "almost certain" Earhart evidence all over the Pacific. It's a neat project. A neat, expensive project for rich, or wealth endowed people who can spend their days jaunting around the South Pacific, producing absolutely nothing.

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    I am calling it now. MSNBC is withholding information on Earhart's plane until after the election because the evidence can be detrimental to the democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poo Bah MCGee View Post
    Even if a micro-sub was to go down and photograph the wreckage, it would damned hard to say what is was to a high degree of certainty. A wrecked plane? Possibly. A big wrecked plane? Probably. A specific Lockheed Elektra, carrying two celebrated lost pilots? Only if you can pull off a builders plate or is has somehow not accrued corals all over it.
    I'll ask my aviation historian relative and post back with his comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poo Bah MCGee View Post
    I think I recall there was a war in this area once, and lots of planes got wrecked, or something. Wasn't it in all the papers?

    The aluminum would have long ago turned to oxide, the bones would have long dissolved. The shoes or boots would possibly remain, as would jackets. No skin, no proteins, not much at all. Even if a micro-sub was to go down and photograph the wreckage, it would damned hard to say what is was to a high degree of certainty. A wrecked plane? Possibly. A big wrecked plane? Probably. A specific Lockheed Elektra, carrying two celebrated lost pilots? Only if you can pull off a builders plate or is has somehow not accrued corals all over it.

    They've found piece of "almost certain" Earhart evidence all over the Pacific. It's a neat project. A neat, expensive project for rich, or wealth endowed people who can spend their days jaunting around the South Pacific, producing absolutely nothing.
    If there was a significant battle in the area then there would be aircraft debris for sure. However, there would only be a handful of different aircraft types that would have participated i.e. Zeros, Bettys, Hellcats etc, so they would be easy to identify, even if encrusted with coral. An Electra would stand out like a dog's nuts. If there was no major battle in the vicinity (say, 50 miles) then the task is a whole lot easier. Maybe the odd spotter plane, photo reconnaissance plane or patrol plane, all easily identifiable.

    As for the aluminium turning to oxide, I don't think so. The aircraft were made from Duralmin which is a lot tougher than regular aluminium as it wasn't up to snuff in resisting the stresses of high sub-sonic flight. If in the sea, depth would be a factor as the deeper you go, the colder and darker it gets. Not a good environment for coral to thrive and the cold water preserves the metal better. Aluminium reacts with oxygen, causing the oxide. Since water is an environment that has a 60% reduction in oxygen, compared to the regular atmosphere, the impact of oxygen is significantly less on the aluminium. If in shallow water, then the airframe would degrade faster. However, the engine blocks were made from cast steel and they will be there for another hundred years. Remember, the Pacific has some of the deepest water in the world.

    If the airframe ended up on land, then there should be some degradation, particularly the skin, but nothing that would render the aircraft unrecognizable. They are still pulling out nearly intact aircraft from the jungles of Papua New Guinea to this day.

    Do a little search on Truk lagoon and you will see what I mean. The airframes last a surprisingly long time, even in shallow water.
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    I thought I would add the link to the website for the search team. They have found more in the area besides just the part of the plane. They make a very compelling argument for their theory. I think it was probably linked up-thread somewhere, but always good to have a refresher. I've been following this group and their story for years. I'm no aviation expert, but I've always thought their theory and findings were credible.

    http://tighar.org/Projects/Earhart/AEdescr.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by neilmpenny View Post
    If there was a significant battle in the area then there would be aircraft debris for sure. However, there would only be a handful of different aircraft types that would have participated i.e. Zeros, Bettys, Hellcats etc, so they would be easy to identify, even if encrusted with coral. An Electra would stand out like a dog's nuts. If there was no major battle in the vicinity (say, 50 miles) then the task is a whole lot easier. Maybe the odd spotter plane, photo reconnaissance plane or patrol plane, all easily identifiable.

    As for the aluminium turning to oxide, I don't think so. The aircraft were made from Duralmin which is a lot tougher than regular aluminium as it wasn't up to snuff in resisting the stresses of high sub-sonic flight. If in the sea, depth would be a factor as the deeper you go, the colder and darker it gets. Not a good environment for coral to thrive and the cold water preserves the metal better. Aluminium reacts with oxygen, causing the oxide. Since water is an environment that has a 60% reduction in oxygen, compared to the regular atmosphere, the impact of oxygen is significantly less on the aluminium. If in shallow water, then the airframe would degrade faster. However, the engine blocks were made from cast steel and they will be there for another hundred years. Remember, the Pacific has some of the deepest water in the world.

    If the airframe ended up on land, then there should be some degradation, particularly the skin, but nothing that would render the aircraft unrecognizable. They are still pulling out nearly intact aircraft from the jungles of Papua New Guinea to this day.

    Do a little search on Truk lagoon and you will see what I mean. The airframes last a surprisingly long time, even in shallow water.
    Maybe it's resting side-by-side MH 370.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviatrix View Post
    Maybe it's resting side-by-side MH 370.
    No that plane is in a different hangar at Area 51.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidmor View Post
    No that plane is in a different hangar at Area 51.
    Darn, forgot about that. Makes sense though.

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    Actually, everyone knows that the unfortunate avatrix and her hapless navigator were deep-sixed because they threatened to reveal their roles in the conspiracy to assassinate William McKinley.

    Warning: this post may contain traces of satire.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebud666 View Post
    Actually, everyone knows that the unfortunate avatrix and her hapless navigator were deep-sixed because they threatened to reveal their roles in the conspiracy to assassinate William McKinley.
    Wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Little known fact is that Earhart was some 20 years older than records show, which were falsified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidmor View Post
    Wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Little known fact is that Earhart was some 20 years older than records show, which were falsified.
    Don't tell me - she was born in Kenya?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebud666 View Post
    Don't tell me - she was born in Kenya?
    haha!!! And that my friends is a 3 snaps in Z formation situation!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by StewartGilliganGriffin View Post
    haha!!! And that my friends is a 3 snaps in Z formation situation!!

    I haven't the slightest idea what is . . . but I find it disturbingly calming and I cannot look away.

    Now that I think of it, why isn't Donald Trump looking for the plane? After all, he's a specialist at finding things that aren't there.



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    It's a comedy skit from the old show In Living Color. When something is particularly fantabulous it gets 3 snaps in z formation. Kind of like "Oh snap". About 3:12 is the snap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebud666 View Post
    Now that I think of it, why isn't Donald Trump looking for the plane? After all, he's a specialist at finding things that aren't there.
    Well he hasn't found his missing hair yet so why go beyond there?

    If Trump had, in the past, made serious inquiries about Earhart, I suspect he would have been told (as were a few presidents since FDR) by career military intelligence (later CIA) in a very assertive manner to "forget about it".
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    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ging-analysis/

    They plan imaging analysis using a hyperspectral camera on the aluminum patch.

    The comments on the link are interesting.

    One guy claims there is no way the patch was in use before WWII. He also points out TIGHAR has spent more than $700,000 in the last four years on officer compensation.

    I wish they would solve the mystery, she was a pioneer and deserves to RIP instead of forever being known for the question of what happened to her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidmor View Post
    Well he hasn't found his missing hair yet so why go beyond there?

    If Trump had, in the past, made serious inquiries about Earhart, I suspect he would have been told (as were a few presidents since FDR) by career military intelligence (later CIA) in a very assertive manner to "forget about it".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebud666 View Post
    Never trust anyone who eats pizza with a fork.
    My grandmother's dying words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebud666 View Post
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    Well don't trust me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviatrix View Post
    Let me make this clear: I had nothing to do with William McKinley.

    JFK is a different story though.

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    Neil, I have to respect your research, as you are correct about duraluminum. Similar material used in the Akron and Macon, and both skeletons have been retrieved from deep water. I still will maintain that the wreckage is 1 in a million of being Airhead's plane. I'll also maintain they "experts" can do all kinds of forensic testing, but until I see hard, direct, evidence of that specific Elektra, I'm going to say, deep water and shark shit.
    Interesting, how Amelia Earhart is remembered as a great aviatrix, yet she flew across the Atlantic as a passenger, not as a pilot. Her celebrity comes from getting lost and crashing. Compared to other women, Harriet Quimby or Pancho Barnes, as examples, A.E. did very little .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poo Bah MCGee View Post
    Neil, I have to respect your research, as you are correct about duraluminum. Similar material used in the Akron and Macon, and both skeletons have been retrieved from deep water. I still will maintain that the wreckage is 1 in a million of being Airhead's plane. I'll also maintain they "experts" can do all kinds of forensic testing, but until I see hard, direct, evidence of that specific Elektra, I'm going to say, deep water and shark shit.
    Interesting, how Amelia Earhart is remembered as a great aviatrix, yet she flew across the Atlantic as a passenger, not as a pilot. Her celebrity comes from getting lost and crashing. Compared to other women, Harriet Quimby or Pancho Barnes, as examples, A.E. did very little .
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    http://news.yahoo.com/expedition-ret...030135945.html

    The 11th TIGHAR expedition will take place on the island of Nikumaroro next week.

    "The object is to see if we can add to the preponderance of evidence that we have assembled in the course of 27 years and 10 expeditions to the island," said Ric Gillespie, executive director of TIGHAR -- the International Group for Historic Aircraft Recovery.

    Gillespie and his team of 14 volunteers will remain on the island for two weeks.

    But get this....

    "Joining them for a few days will be 68 paying passengers on the first cruise ship to visit the island on an Earhart-themed voyage of adventure.

    Betchart Expeditions is charging up to $11,000 for the chance to go ashore and see such spots as the place where a 1991 expedition came across a 1930s woman's Oxford shoe of the type Earhart wore."

    It's obvious Gillespie is a marketing genius if he is getting tourists to shell out that kind of money to tag along, when the only evidence found was a part of a shoe and a face powder compact.
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    How else are you supposed to eat it? Like a caveman?

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    Is a grainy picture of the back of a woman proof that Amelia Earhart survived a crash landing?

    "Earhart and Noonan stand out as the only two Westerners in the photo"

    Any hags with better vision than mine? A facial recognition expert says it's her.

    Of course that LAPD cop that is convinced his father was the killer of the Black Dahlia got an expert to say pictures he found tucked away were Elizabeth Smart and I will swear to my dying day he is wrong, wrong, wrong.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-landing.html
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    I've been going over that photo and it's very possible. I would like to believe it is them, but then again.. hmm. I hope the special will give answers. As for the Black Dahlia, I agree. There is no way, he even tried to suggest his father might have been the Zodiac killer in a later book !
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    Y'all beat me to this one - barely.

    I've been looking at that; I'd say possible; but indeterminate.
    The guy looks a heck of a lot like Noonan; the woman certainly seems to have the right build - I don't know how much "enhancement" the photo might have received.

    I haven't read the story but I saw where at least one "photo expert" says it is a fake.

    I saw a documentary back in the 70's or 80's claiming that she had been captured and executed by the Japanese. They supposedly interviewed islanders who didn't know who she was but could describe her; said they saw her executed and buried.
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    They did a face comparison on the one tall Anglo man and the nose and sharp receding hairline matched Fred Noonan. The back of the Anglo Woman matches back pictures of Amelia's lanky athletic frame. I want to believe it's real. Although that doesn't change the outcome of them suffering a horrible death.
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    Indeed - they probably thought at first that they had been rescued.

    My father was 14 or 15 when they went missing.
    He said a lot of people thought the Japanese might have actually forced them down and captured them.

    He personally suspected that Amelia and Noonan might have fallen in love and decided to disappear rather than come home to their spouses.
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    It does look like Amelia in the photo. I watched a show where an older Japanese woman said she witnessed the murder of Amelia and Fred as a child. I think I believe her story.
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    I'm not convinced that it's authentic.
    Not saying I disbelieve it; it's just so easy these days to make a really believable fake.
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    My gut instinct is it's a fake. It's also an exact duplicate of a still from the film, made grainy with a filter an attempt to look authentic. Cut and paste was also the creator's friend there. The combination of both effects makes it harder to detect the forgery.
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    I believe they survived the crash, got onto the Island were there a few days maybe and the Japanese found them and took the and then executed them, thinking they were spies or or something like that.
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    Maybe one day, and during our lifetimes, conclusive evidence will be found revealing Ms. Earnhardt's and Mr. Noonan's fate.
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    With forensic anthropology getting better, I hope we do find out the truth on this mystery. I do wish the Japanese Government would open all their records for that period for us to examine. I'm afraid they might have been destroyed in post war Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeChick View Post
    Maybe one day, and during our lifetimes, conclusive evidence will be found revealing Ms. Earnhardt's and Mr. Noonan's fate.
    I thought same thing. I really hope in this day and age we could really find the real story.

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    I think we'll find out; maybe soon.
    I still tend to believe that they died as castaways.

    Did anyone see the latest documentary - I think it aired tonight (7/9/17)?
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    I watched the doc last night. It convinced me and I'm pretty skeptical about everything.

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    I go back & forth between being captured by the Japanese & being eaten by giant crabs on a deserted island.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blondehart View Post
    I go back & forth between being captured by the Japanese & being eaten by giant crabs on a deserted island.


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    Sounds like you have a very interesting, yet harrowing; life.

    Oh wait, you're probably talking about Amelia; sorry.
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    I'm on the fence. The images do look like them, especially Amelia's--it's the hair and the posture that I can't get away from. Yet, there is so much room for fakery these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weaver45 View Post
    I watched the doc last night. It convinced me and I'm pretty skeptical about everything.
    What was the deal with all the cover ups on the part of the military and US govt?

    They find bones in 1968, bring them back to the US for identification, whoops they're gone. WTH?

    After the war I can't see any reason to keep denying if they were taken prisoner by the Japanese.
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    I wonder if she really was a spy and that's what all the hush-hush is about.
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    You know Cindy you may be right about that, why all the cover up.
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    I thought what they came up with was very convincing. But why cover it up after all these years? Guilt, I would think, on the part of the government for throwing her under the bus if she was spying for them. I don't recall anyone saying what year they both might have died.
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    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2...t&sf97204325=1
    Just read this..


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    Quote Originally Posted by blondehart View Post
    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2...t&sf97204325=1
    Just read this..


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    Good find, thanks for posting.
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