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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagorath View Post
    Well, where are the fuckin' cops? Oh, too busy stalking non-violent and non-lethal pot smokers and other easy prey.

    This ain't Saudi Arabia.
    Most people who race go to secluded highways away from the city to do it. Around here they do it in farm land in the delta where there might be one local city cop on duty in a small town. A lot of them are also pot smokers....

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    there is video clips of the aftermath of the crash, while it was on fire. Also anyone know what Paul's last words were? I am interested to know. Also Paul's daughter was at the charity event & heard the crash & Paul's GF collapsed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SRVFan View Post
    Most people who race go to secluded highways away from the city to do it. Around here they do it in farm land in the delta where there might be one local city cop on duty in a small town. A lot of them are also pot smokers....
    It seems the area was known for street racing: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...stigate-661215

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    I agree that it's not so much the car but the people driving it. However, there have been times when it was the car, Ford Pinto and rear-end crashes anyone? That being said, I'm 26 and have a 6-speed Audi S6 which does 0-60 in about 5 seconds, if I push it a little quicker but it is very rare that I do. I got into one bad accident where speed wasn't a factor, I hit a tree in a Ford Contour after hitting black ice, and since then I have had no want to speed. That being said, these guys were racers driving a fast car, chances are they were showing off or something and that is what killed them. Sad and unfortunate and probably entirely preventable but it happened as it continues to happen all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trilby View Post
    It seems the area was known for street racing: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...stigate-661215
    I know that area was, and in a big city you don't always have the luxary of a secluded area to go to. That's not the case here where there's a lot of farm land and people go down long two lane highways to get their racing on.

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    http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/12/02/...nell-reaction/

    Here is the link about Pauls girlfriend collapsing when she heard the news..

    What is more interesting than that, is that she is 23 and has been dating him for 7 years?

    I'm not a mathematician, but WTF that is gross?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalouver View Post
    http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/12/02/...nell-reaction/

    Here is the link about Pauls girlfriend collapsing when she heard the news..

    What is more interesting than that, is that she is 23 and has been dating him for 7 years?

    I'm not a mathematician, but WTF that is gross?!
    Yep...kinda gross!


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    Paul Walker's family appreciates the outpouring of love and goodwill from his many fans and friends. They have asked, in lieu of flowers or other gifts, that donations please be made to Paul’s charity Reach Out Worldwide (ROWW). Donations can easily be made through their website at http://www.ROWW.org
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    Its comforting for them to know that the son, brother, and father they love so much is equally adored, respected, and appreciated by so many. Paul founded the organization with the genuine desire to help others, and it's important to his family to keep his memory alive through ROWW.

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    The extra young and originally illegal girlfriend is fuckin weird. http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-02/...-began-dating/

    Especially at his age.

    It seems he didn't appreciate people taking pictures in his off time. I've seen quite a few in which he was throwing some evil eye at the photographer. I reckon that would be annoying though.
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    BTW, his first wife (mother of his child) is called Rebecca McBrain. The odd thing here is that Nicko McBrain's wife (drummer for Iron Maiden) is also called Rebecca... I tried to find pictures of Paul's wife and couldn't find any - Who's Dated Who has a picture of Nicko's wife in Paul's page. I know Nicko and Rebecca are married since the 80's, but maybe she had a fling with Paul Walker??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRVFan View Post
    Most people who race go to secluded highways away from the city to do it. Around here they do it in farm land in the delta where there might be one local city cop on duty in a small town. A lot of them are also pot smokers....
    We race on a very secluded road way out in the country. It's just for quarter mile runs though. Luckily it's right by my house. Unfortunately you're probably fucked if you wreck. At least a half hour before cops and ambulances get there. But it's a risk you take when racing.
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    I read in a breaking news tweet, that the car was going about 40-50 mph in a 15 mph bend. I was like really? Just going 40-50 mph can wrap a tree around a car and blow up?. I was figuring they were going at least over 80. shows what i know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PiggyTx View Post
    I read in a breaking news tweet, that the car was going about 40-50 mph in a 15 mph bend. I was like really? Just going 40-50 mph can wrap a tree around a car and blow up?. I was figuring they were going at least over 80. shows what i know.
    Also something about steering fluid leak which would explain a lack of skid marks
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    Could've caught fire before the crash if that's true. Honestly though I have a hard time believing they were going that slow. Way too much debris scattered and they hit several things before coming to stop on the tree. It just seems a little unbelievable. I reckon stranger things have happened though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    Also something about steering fluid leak which would explain a lack of skid marks
    Anyone know if the car had and ABS system, my assumption is that it did, because they tend not to leave skid marks except at maximum braking and if the driver hesitated for even a second well maximum braking may not have occurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helo99 View Post
    BTW, his first wife (mother of his child) is called Rebecca McBrain. The odd thing here is that Nicko McBrain's wife (drummer for Iron Maiden) is also called Rebecca... I tried to find pictures of Paul's wife and couldn't find any - Who's Dated Who has a picture of Nicko's wife in Paul's page. I know Nicko and Rebecca are married since the 80's, but maybe she had a fling with Paul Walker??
    No picture of Rebecca on here either, but here's a profile of Paul's on Famous Hookups:
    http://www.famoushookups.com/site/ce...r&celebid=1908
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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalouver View Post
    http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/12/02/...nell-reaction/

    Here is the link about Pauls girlfriend collapsing when she heard the news..

    What is more interesting than that, is that she is 23 and has been dating him for 7 years?

    I'm not a mathematician, but WTF that is gross?!
    Just weird. I wonder if that is a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisalouver View Post
    http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/12/02/...nell-reaction/

    Here is the link about Pauls girlfriend collapsing when she heard the news..

    What is more interesting than that, is that she is 23 and has been dating him for 7 years?

    I'm not a mathematician, but WTF that is gross?!
    At least it didn't appear to be a Courtney Stodden situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helo99 View Post
    BTW, his first wife (mother of his child) is called Rebecca McBrain. The odd thing here is that Nicko McBrain's wife (drummer for Iron Maiden) is also called Rebecca... I tried to find pictures of Paul's wife and couldn't find any - Who's Dated Who has a picture of Nicko's wife in Paul's page. I know Nicko and Rebecca are married since the 80's, but maybe she had a fling with Paul Walker??
    Paul never married Rebecca. Also, if I recall correctly--she lived/lives in Hawaii.

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    yeah so 16 & 33 .... ? A bit odd...but he did look very young!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    yeah so 16 & 33 .... ? A bit odd...but he did look very young!
    True. I swear that has to be an error. Otherwise the fact that he was dating a 16 year old would be all over TMZ and Perez at least.

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    speaking of which, does anyone here know the mother of Paul's daughter &/or why Paul Walker got custody of her in 209/10 ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    speaking of which, does anyone here know the mother of Paul's daughter &/or why Paul Walker got custody of her in 209/10 ??
    Good question. I think a lot of this will come out in the coming days.

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    No fair. He was so young and so good looking. God bless his daughter.
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    According to that famoushookups site they started dating in 2006 so yeah, she was 16...how was that not ever news??


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    Quote Originally Posted by elnoradawn View Post
    According to that they started dating in 2006 so yeah, she was 16...how was that not ever news??
    Exactly. I can't believe that would not be on the front page of every gossip site. 16? Really??? I am not sure that article is correct on that part.

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    Moment of impact video up on TMZ, taken from a security camera... mostly hidden by trees. I'm not able to copy the link here for some reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by desertangel View Post
    Moment of impact video up on TMZ, taken from a security camera... mostly hidden by trees. I'm not able to copy the link here for some reason
    Thanks. Wow.

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    http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_oehej0ek/

    Moment of impact and aftermath...for those scrolling...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagorath View Post
    http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_oehej0ek/

    Moment of impact and aftermath...for those scrolling...
    That just confirms to me that they never would have gotten them out. That thing went up as soon as it hit.

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    They were dead as fried chicken.

    Bless them both and their families. And he was a father...Paul. Not sure about the other guy.

    Quote Originally Posted by SRVFan View Post
    That just confirms to me that they never would have gotten them out. That thing went up as soon as it hit.

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    Oh boy. From what I saw in that footage was the baby blue car, the "it's gonna blow" video guys, were traveling in the same direction as Paul's car. You saw them pretty much screech to a halt. I wonder if it was them that Roger was trying to avoid? Were they the second car? Hmmmmmmmm.

    -I don't know who came out to the media about Paul's girlfriend and about how long they were dating, be it her, family, friends, whatever, but damn. That was in some bad taste!

    -the link posted in #205, people commenting on the article are saying that Paul and the girlfriend have been split up. Whattup wit dat?
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    I thought the same about the blue car. I saw a newsreport soundbite of a guy that said they were racing, but only the one and it was early on. In my mind it fits with the whole blue car bit. On the other hand, with the details on baby-mamma/girlfriend/daughter, I wondered if the car was sabotaged and the race was set up somehow... just like Hollywood. I believe there are people out there who know what happened... wonder if that truth will ever be made public.

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    I don't know about sabotage, especially with the daughter at the fundraiser. I think it was driver or vehicle error. Porsches seem to spend more time in the shop than on the road, and I have the feeling the guys from the shop have a habit of using that roadway around that industrial park as their own personal test-track. The donut marks are old. The very same marks show up on Google maps and Google earth.

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    The car has only had 52 miles driven since the driver bought it. He definitely wasn't experienced with this particular car. I'm leaning towards driver failure.

    I'm thinking maybe the fuel cell was busted before the final impact. That appears to be a massive fuel rupture onto something already burning or as Neil pointed out an exhaust manifold or possibly an ignition coil. This is not your typical fuel line rupture. Maybe the leaking steering fluid ignited and caused the wreck. I believe the cell is directly behind the passenger rear firewall between the engine and cab area.
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    And I am sure they tweaked that car even more. Who in the hell could actually enjoy driving a car that is a bitch to drive? Call me a dork. That's okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    yeah so 16 & 33 .... ? A bit odd...but he did look very young!
    That's the age difference between myself and my parents. So...ick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnoradawn View Post
    Yep...kinda gross!
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    The extra young and originally illegal girlfriend is fuckin weird. http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-12-02/...-began-dating/

    Especially at his age.

    It seems he didn't appreciate people taking pictures in his off time. I've seen quite a few in which he was throwing some evil eye at the photographer. I reckon that would be annoying though.
    yeah, I'm 41... and I have a teen daughter. If that was my kid, I don't know if I'd be pissed or insanely jealous! Naw, I'm super protective of my kiddos, I'd be both secretly..The only way that shit would fly would be if our last name was Stodden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McMorbid View Post
    The car has only had 52 miles driven since the driver bought it. He definitely wasn't experienced with this particular car. I'm leaning towards driver failure.

    I'm thinking maybe the fuel cell was busted before the final impact. That appears to be a massive fuel rupture onto something already burning or as Neil pointed out an exhaust manifold or possibly an ignition coil. This is not your typical fuel line rupture. Maybe the leaking steering fluid ignited and caused the wreck. I believe the cell is directly behind the passenger rear firewall between the engine and cab area.
    Yes I think you are right. That smoke was billowing almost instantaneously after the crash. An oil fire would take a bit longer to get going and the smoke would have been pitch black. I did post a cutaway of the 2005 Porsche Carrera GT earlier (post #174), but the location of the tank is obscured. However, the gas filling point is behind the firewall on the passenger side, so I think your determination of the gas tank location is spot on. As soon as that engine came off it's mountings I think, like you do, that the fuel cell got crushed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squishy View Post
    And I am sure they tweaked that car even more. Who in the hell could actually enjoy driving a car that is a bitch to drive? Call me a dork. That's okay.
    I posted an article on the car in post #153. Here is a snippet from the article:

    "There were fewer than 1,300 of the V-10, 610-hp, midengine cars built from 2004-07, with less than half coming to the U.S. The car that crashed, number 479, was one of 38 cars offered for sale by Always Evolving's store in Sun Valley, Calif.; it was listed as a 2005 model with 3,283 miles. The price is not listed; the car sold new for about $450,000."

    The way I see it Squishy, is that Always Evolving bought 38 of these cars and then souped them up, and offered them for sale. So the cars were already tweaked right off the showroom floor. The link to the article is below.
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    http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/02/paul-w...on-fluid-leak/

    So they are saying the Porsche was not modified. So how does a customs shop buy a car and not put their paws on it?

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    In the video shot by the person on the street, after he exits his car and looks toward the burning car, it appears that someone is trying very hard to exit the passenger side. Paul is consumed by the flames, but is struggling. This video was about as disturbing to watch as the infamous Station fire video.
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    The video was too dark for me to see that part. The passenger side got wrapped. If you look at the full photos, the steering wheel is on the street side. With all the street names given in the news reports, I had a helluva time finding the crash site on Maps. The video and pics were really disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squishy View Post
    http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/02/paul-w...on-fluid-leak/

    So they are saying the Porsche was not modified. So how does a customs shop buy a car and not put their paws on it?
    Remember, someone is going to have to be blamed for the accident, and someone is going to have to pay up in the resulting suit. Porsche and Always Evolving are going to blame driver error. If not driver error, but mechanical error, Porsche will blame Always Evolving for tinkering with the car. Always Evolving will blame Porsche for supplying a defective car off of the production line. Usually when these cars are souped up (and I bet London to a brick these were) it is usually one of, or all of, the engine, transmission, shocks, rims, brakes and the body farings which are modified. I think it is very rare for the steering to be tinkered with, as in a brand new car off of the line. Right away, from the photo in the article I posted, the wheel rims are not factory. What else isn't?

    The article states "We're told" but do not give a source. Who told them? Who would know that information specifically? Always Evolving? Well they would deny wouldn't they? The lawyers are already telling all parties involved to deny, deny, deny. Maybe when they stated that the cars were not modified, they mean't the steering wasn't modified. What I think we need to understand is that legally, the wagons for each party are being circled.

    Remember the Ayrton Senna crash? He went into that fast corner and kept on going straight. His crash was caused from a broken steering column which had been modified, but his actual death was from a broken suspension wishbone piercing his brain. The dynamics or that crash are not so dissimilar from this one.

    So at this early stage it is probably premature to know the specific cause of the crash, though a seasoned driver doesn't drive in a straight line on a wide bit of road, and then suddenly veer off the road unless something broke, or was wrong with the road surface, or he had a fit (I bet ten bucks that possibility will come up in pre-trial).
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    Oh yeah, I can definitely see them going around and around on this one. The area cops are even being wishy washy. They are saying the area has issues with "tuners" but they turn around and say "not lately" and "not in this business park" and "if we catch them" while you have someone from within the business park saying that it all goes down at night. Sounds like the cops are trying to pass the buck too.http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...#axzz2mNybqp33

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    From the link above:

    "The car, which was reduced to an ashen hulk, had toppled a tree and a concrete lamp post."

    Holy crap. I thought the tree at the crash site was the stopper, but no, it had taken out a concrete lamp post. They must have been really hammering along. No wonder the car was such a mess.

    As an aside, I bet the studio is going to want big bucks against whoever is blamed for the accident, for loss of earnings. Whoever is responsible for the street and maintenance thereof will come under fire as well as the authorities that raised the speed limit. This is going to get very messy indeed.


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    One time I was heading home from work, I just had a fight with my boyfriend and was racing home down some back roads doing at least 75-80. I was digging through my purse for my smokes (stupid) and my tires hit gravel, and I fish tailed it right into a telephone pole. It was a miracle where I hit, right where the door hinged, and where the fire wall was. The cop said a couple of inches back into the door, and I would have been in deep shit. The only injury I got was a contusion on my hand from gripping the steering wheel, rope burn from the seatbelt and a bruise on my left wrist, from it hitting the door, my pride, but the cars still drove. I couldn't believe that, but I thought I was a goner. I still cringe when I think about it, especially when I want a cigarette (I quit)

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    Well, what do you know? Walker owned Always Evolving.

    "Like Steve McQueen and Paul Newman before him, Walker's enthusiasm for cars went well beyond the Hollywood screen. The California native had made enough money that he kept a warehouse full of prized vehicles and later opened a business, Always Evolving, that customised and sold high-performance cars.

    Rodas, who had started as the actor's financial adviser, helped Walker set up Always Evolving, a popular spot to fix or ogle street racers. And the two took to racing together, including in a 25-hour endurance race several years ago, in which they teamed with two professional drivers.

    The two had been holding a fundraiser at their car shop on Saturday to raise money for survivors of the typhoon in the Philippines when they decided to take the Porsche out for a spin. A few minutes later, witnesses reported hearing a boom and others happened upon the sleek red sports car engulfed in flames on Hercules Street."

    Some interesting info:

    "Speed aficionados know the spot well, on the far side of the 5 Freeway from the Magic Mountain theme park. They come to try their hand at “drifting", over-steering so that the tail ends of their Nissans and Mitsubishis slide and shimmy through a spot called Hercules Curve." Drifting gone wrong? Maybe we are getting closer to the truth here.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/paul-walker-death-fast-and-furious-star-died-and-mourned-at-drifting-blackspot-20131203-2yo7u.html#ixzz2mOyOo9z9

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    Google plan view of the street. The car approached the yellow marker above from the left.


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    Google street view. The car took out the concrete light pole on the right and wrapped itself around one of the trees just beyond the pole.

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    Fully engulfed in flames. Screen capture of image taken from NBC4 news feed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiffany View Post
    I doubt he was smiling as that car crashed into the lightpole and went up in flames...just sayin'

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    Neil, it's very common for drift enthusiasts to add a high geared steering box to a vehicle. From the map and info you provided I'm thinking they were gunning through the straight and something went wrong when attempting to prepare for that bend. Could be mechanical but could also be driver failure. Maybe he down shifted to a much lower gear or maybe didn't match the rpm to the gear he chose. Either would cause a traction loss. I'm not buying the 45 mph though. He could've dumped the clutch at a high rpm to initiate a drift or possibly even snatched the e brake. Or as I stated up thread maybe a small fire started and the driver panicked. These high Rev engines have extremely high voltage ignition module/coil setups. Maybe a lose fuel line or steering fluid. From the condition of the Porsche we will likely never know.

    On another note. The body pic looks to be Mr. Walker and part of the driver. To me it appears that the legs are in the passenger floor side. If you look closely and compare to pics after the bodies were removed you can see the radio and console area to the left of where the legs are. I'm think PW more or less stayed with the cabin area and stretched out as the rear of the car split. He appears to be in reclined position possibly twisted to one side. The driver appears to have either left his legs on the peddle and the upper body is in that wreckage or he was burned to the point of blending with the ash from the thigh up. That's just what it looks like to me. Anyone else care to speculate?
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    Also a lady said they will need to have dental records to confirm autopsy & witnesses cite it being the only car.
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