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    Quote Originally Posted by CambieAlene View Post
    Hi gang,

    Apparently I am late to the party...
    Great first post Cambie! Thanks for the encouraging words about our forum. I agree with you that this group is unlike any other forum I know of. I think the caring, dignity and respect we show the victims and survivors comes through in our posts.

    To address a couple of your questions, I agree with you that I don't know if there was a slope to the front entryway, but it couldn't have been much. Obviously the far bigger problem was the flow of people that quickly increased, and eventually someone tripped and started the pileup in the front door. One worrying sign in the Butler video was that at least two people in his view stopped in the inner hallway by the walls, looking back to find people they knew but blocking the flow of people out. This could have easily led to the pileup starting.

    Another question you had was the ID of the only body found near the stage. I believe some speculation we made earlier was that it was Ty Longley. We maybe thought it could be him because he might have tried to go retrieve his guitar. But we're not sure. I wish the ME's office did a better job with IDs on site.

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    I think I remember reading somewhere that Ty Longley was found near one of the windows that he had been helping people out of

    I also think the lone person near the stage was Jeff Rader

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    Welcome, Cambie. The pile-up in the doorway is not a scenario unique to the Station. I had been studying other fires even before The Station tragedy, such as the Iroquois Theater fire in Chicago in 1903. ~600 killed. Bodies were found stacked in doorways. It's the bottleneck effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDude View Post
    I think I remember reading somewhere that Ty Longley was found near one of the windows that he had been helping people out of

    I also think the lone person near the stage was Jeff Rader
    Dude, you are correct that the body by the stage could have been Jeff Rader too. Actually three known victims last seen in that area are 1) Ty Longley, 2) Jeff Rader, 3) Matthew Pickett. And as I'll describe below, there is a fourth possible person as well.

    I think the first question to ask is who would have had a reason to walk *toward* the flames at that point? A very good question.

    I should have reviewed Bill Long's witness statement before my post about Ty Longley the other day, my apologies. Bill was the last person to see Ty alive. He says Ty already had his guitar with him as he watched Bill try unsuccessfully to kick out the plastic windows in the atrium. So Ty didn't go back to the stage to get his guitar in his final moments. However he could have thought of something else in his gear on stage to grab to try to break the windows. If so it was brave of him to go toward the flames then.

    Jeff Rader, as shown in the infamous last picture taken inside the club, looks very calm as he stands on the dance floor, probably the closest person to the stage at that point. One can imagine him turning and casually looking at the flames as if looking at a fireplace, maybe even approaching closer before being overwhelmed by smoke. However he was also looking for his girlfriend Becky Shaw, so that makes it less likely he stayed in that area.

    Finally we know that Matthew Pickett fell near this area. But we don't have good information on exactly where he was. We know he was near where the Rader photo was taken in his last moments. It was taken by his friend Joe Cristina as Matthew stood next to him, right after he said "Joe, Joe, take a picture!" as captured by his still unreleased audio tape. He had no reason to move closer to the stage at that point, but it's possible he got disoriented and walked closer to the flames before falling, unconscious in the smoke.

    I will note that for a while it was thought Matthew wore the striped sweater seen at the edge of the photo. But it's been established pretty conclusively that Matthew wore his leather "taper jacket". Therefore an unknown fourth person, wearing that sweater, was in that area when the photo was taken.

    So unless we get better information from the ME's office, since apparently not all but *some* bodies were tagged on site, whose body was found on the dance floor near the stage will remain one of the many mysteries about that night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CambieAlene View Post
    Hi gang,

    Apparently I am late to the party... I had heard of the events as they unfolded in 2003, but didn't really absorb all of the (frankly) ridiculous circumstances that combined to make this tragedy come to reality. In fact, I hadn't given it much thought until this February 20th, when I had suffered my own personal loss. Maybe that's why I am now completely obsessed, and feel so much empathy for survivor and victim alike. In the span of about a month, I have seen all videos, interviews, etc, on YouTube. One of the comments posted a link to the Google drive, so I have read all of the grand jury statements, witness statements, and pored over all the videos and photos. Bought and read both Killer Show and From the Ashes. Then I found you all... two sleepless days later, I am caught up on both strings...

    Long story short, here are some lingering impressions that you seem to corroborate, and questions I'm hoping you can resolve:
    1) Dan Biechele was a scapegoat, and although he was responsible for lighting the fuse, he alone wasn't what brought the place to the ground in less than an hour. The Derdarians got off easy, not only for their completely unethical and ghastly business practices, but for their criminal negligence in all aspects of running that club. It's a wonder that a careless cigarette from a bar patron didn't set off the West wall much sooner. And don't even get me started on my thoughts of the fire marshal and Scott Vieira. He is beyond a prick.

    2) Only in Killer Show did I see anything mentioned about the slope in the entryway to the front doors. Surely as people started to panic as the smoke and heat got closer, that small grade could have tripped someone and set off the chain events from there? Or is that more misinformation from an otherwise terrific book? And did anyone else catch that he accidentally misnamed Fred Crisostomi as "Albert" in Chapter 23 and in the Index?

    3) There has been much discussion about Brian Butler and the removal of the table from the entry. Here is where I am confused... according to BB, he had the camera facing behind him as he exited to the ticket counter, so we can't see where said table was removed. And it is noted that he is one of the last to get out the front before the pile up. But... in other statements, a table was used to prop the door for people still trying to get out and was then removed out of the pathway. Is my chronology wrong, or is it the same table? Logically wouldn't BB drag the table completely out of the way, and wouldn't we have noticed that either in the remaining film outside or in the delay it would take to move the table in his time getting out?

    4) According to the chart of where victims were found, only 1 was in front of the stage on the dance floor. Were you all able to figure out who that was? I may have missed where that might have been stated.

    Lastly, I just want to say that I am not one to join forums or chat groups or comment on anything I typically watch online. I am a lurker in the full sense of the word. But after reading these posts, I know that I am in the right place and know I'm among brethren. It is obvious that every single person to have ever posted here is doing it for the right reasons, and the respect and honor for all those affected in any small way by the fire is paramount. I applaud you all for your restraint in making sure that this stays classy and preserves the sanctity of the victims' memories. They live on, all these years later, because of people like you. Keep up the great work, and please don't let this string die out. It is too important, and new people (like me) stumble into this "obsession" with learning the truths about what happened all the time.
    Excellent post!!! I agree with all you said 1000%

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    I recently started listening to a radio show called 'Behind the Paranormal' by Paul and Ben Eno. Going back through the first couple of shows, I started listening to this one from June 15th, 2008. It is an interview with Dave Kane, father of Nicky Kane, the youngest person killed in the Station fire. In the interview, he talks about alot of coincidences around the number 41 that began occurring before and after Nicky's death, as well as some paranormal occurrences he attributes to Nicky.

    http://www.behindtheparanormal.com/p...Paranormal.mp3

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    Hello, everyone! Popping in to say that the dedication of the Station Fire Memorial will be held tomorrow. I know we'll all be there in spirit. I believe it will be carried live. I know I'll be looking for it!!
    Peace,
    Mary

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    I haven't been here in ages. I was more active in the last thread.

    They had the dedication today. It came out absolutely beautiful.

    http://wpri.com/2017/05/19/virtual-t...memorial-park/

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    The dedication was very moving. The memorial park is beautiful and I'd love to see it in person one day.

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    I am so glad this is finally there. The pictures are beautiful and I will have to get over soon. My brother and sister-in-law went today and said it was impressivw with a feeling that went with it.
    In one of the pictures Gina is wearing a Station t-shirt. Does anyone know where I can get one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Massachusetts View Post
    In one of the pictures Gina is wearing a Station t-shirt. Does anyone know where I can get one?
    The memorial foundation website sold them for many years. I just checked, and all they have left are baseball caps and jewellery.

    I watched several park-opening videos on youtube. Nice! It should look great in a few years when the plants grow. I hope they replace the astroturf with REAL turf. There was an egregious error on the timeline wall at the park. It said only 355 people were inside when the fire began!!! The AG's documents proved 458, and those were only the people who were officially outed.

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    It looks amazing and I am glad they got it done.
    "My Darling Girl ,when are you going to realize that being normal is not necessarily a virtue? It rather denotes a lack of courage." ~Aunt Frances~
    And It Harm None Do What ye will. Wise Intelligent Teacher Courageous Healer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodentLady View Post
    The memorial foundation website sold them for many years. I just checked, and all they have left are baseball caps and jewellery.

    I watched several park-opening videos on youtube. Nice! It should look great in a few years when the plants grow. I hope they replace the astroturf with REAL turf. There was an egregious error on the timeline wall at the park. It said only 355 people were inside when the fire began!!! The AG's documents proved 458, and those were only the people who were officially outed.
    Thanks RodentLady.
    I thought maybe they were a new batch and was hoping to get one. Anyway who is going to maintain the memorial site. Is that why they did astro turf so they do not have to worry about the lawn? There will still be maintainance to keep it nice.
    I am glad it is done and such a shame it took so long.

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    I watched some of the dedication video, it was very nice. And the memorial itself looks beautiful. So glad it's there to bring peace and comfort to those paying their respects for years to come. May the victims never be forgotten.

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    I managed to find about 95% of the park dedication on youtube. I can't find the ending with the reading of names. Here is the best coverage.

    2 minute overview of the ceremony:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2tXKvEvqGQ

    The full programme of speakers, over 40 minutes long (they start around 1:45)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuFsm8b8jNs
    I am surprised that the house in the background does not have a privacy fence. I
    don't know who lives there now. It was Barry Warner's house, the neighbour who
    sold the foam.

    Songs:

    NINETY SEVEN ANGELS (Warning! Very weepy! Bring tissues!!!)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTiG99lcgU
    "There's a point in time when tears return to laughter," Joe Silva states. He is
    right. It is months or years after a loved one is brutally killed, not a few
    DAYS later as the fake tragedies often show.

    THERE'S A HERO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us09k8Q6Jb0
    Sick and inappropriate for Billy Gilman to sing, "There's a fire inside of
    everybody, burning clear and bright." I have come to expect nothing better from celebrities. However, I have to admit that his video
    has a lot of excellent still photos from the day.


    I've sent an e-mail to the foundation regarding the timeline error since I saw no mention of it on their website or facebook page.

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    OK so I just managed to read all 19 pages of this thread and last year I read all of the pages of the former thread. My question is about the prick formerly known as Scott V. I read somewhere he was at a survivor's meeting and smirking and grinning about having turned several people away to their fiery dooms. Is this true?

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    I'm bumping this because you'll never guess the coincidence. When I went to Six Flags earlier today with my parents, my mother's friend Cheryl came along with her daughter Casey and her girlfriend Crystle. I was interested when my mother told me that her mother had died in the Station Nightclub fire but I wasn't going to go forward and ask her about it on a trip to Six Flags and I was afraid of what she might say and I didn't want to re-open any old wounds. She had a tattoo of her mother on her leg which I caught a glimpse of. I just decided to do a bit of research on it and I found out not only who her mother was, but who her father was as well.

    And boy do I feel like a douchebag for calling him a prick in my first post. The tattoo on her leg matches up PERFECTLY to Kelly Vieira. So not only was my hope that she didn't suffer dashed because I knew what happened to her, but her FATHER may have been responsible for the other deaths if the stories about Scott Vieira are true. Her name is Crystle VIEIRA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazee-Dayzee View Post
    I'm bumping this because you'll never guess the coincidence. When I went to Six Flags earlier today with my parents, my mother's friend Cheryl came along with her daughter Casey and her girlfriend Crystle. I was interested when my mother told me that her mother had died in the Station Nightclub fire but I wasn't going to go forward and ask her about it on a trip to Six Flags and I was afraid of what she might say and I didn't want to re-open any old wounds. She had a tattoo of her mother on her leg which I caught a glimpse of. I just decided to do a bit of research on it and I found out not only who her mother was, but who her father was as well.

    And boy do I feel like a douchebag for calling him a prick in my first post. The tattoo on her leg matches up PERFECTLY to Kelly Vieira. So not only was my hope that she didn't suffer dashed because I knew what happened to her, but her FATHER may have been responsible for the other deaths if the stories about Scott Vieira are true. Her name is Crystle VIEIRA.
    Wow, that's a crazy coincidence.

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    Which is why it is important for me to find out if the Scott Vieira stories about survivor's meeting where he was proud of himself when he said he turned several people away, including Gina Gauvin is true or not.

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mAJU_ZKhEM

    This is actually footage of the Collectiv nightclub fire. I posted it here because of the similarities and to somehow (although apprehensively) show conditions inside the Station. Please take a look if you cwn stomach it and let me know your views.

    Skip to 0:37 seconds and watch from there. I didnt understwnd,the language but the visuals definitely tell the story.

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    Hi Everyone. Geez, it has been a while again. I guess I get so busy that I do not get to come on as much as i used to. A few weeks ago my wife and I went to NYC (We are from NH). On our way back we stopped to see the memorial. They really did a great job and it was emotional being there. I personally got emotional. I have been following this since day one and to be there on what i consider sacred ground was special. I took some video of the memorial and posted it on You Tube. I'd like to share it all with you. My wife and i walked through slowly to take everything in. I then went back to shoot the video. I am by no means a professional so please forgive the shaky camera work and not so good shots. I tried to get as much as i could in. It is shot with an HD camcorder so if you aren't already set to watch in HD just click the little cog wheel and select quality 720P. I hope you like it... Main video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdYLT05lCXQ Second video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Jz263pf28

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    Quote Originally Posted by bustakita View Post
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3mAJU_ZKhEM

    This is actually footage of the Collectiv nightclub fire. I posted it here because of the similarities and to somehow (although apprehensively) show conditions inside the Station. Please take a look if you cwn stomach it and let me know your views.

    Skip to 0:37 seconds and watch from there. I didnt understwnd,the language but the visuals definitely tell the story.
    That isn't the video of any nightclub fire. It just leads to a song.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amazee-Dayzee View Post
    Which is why it is important for me to find out if the Scott Vieira stories about survivor's meeting where he was proud of himself when he said he turned several people away, including Gina Gauvin is true or not.
    From Chapter 12 of Killer Show:

    One year after the fire, [Gina Russo] unexpectedly came face to face with [Scott Vieira] at a function for Station Fire families. Her reaction was so immediate, and visceral, that she flinched and lost her balance, falling back into a nearby chair. All she could say was "Oh my God, it's you!" He responded, smirking, "Yeah."

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    Only I would end up meeting the daughter of the man who may have caused more deaths. I really hope that Crystal doesn't come on here. A week ago I didn't even know her. Now my heart hurts for her because of how her mother died and how her father acted. I doubt I'll see her again as she was the girlfriend of my mother's friend's daughter, but this is very unnerving.

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