Results 1 to 37 of 37

Thread: Concealed Carry Laws

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Cheesehead Country
    Posts
    2,344

    Concealed Carry Laws

    The lovely governor of WI (whose ratings aren't exactly high these days) signed a law today allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons. He claims that this law is about people being able to feel safe, and feeling as if they can protect themselves. Well, I don't know about ya'll, but this law most definitely does NOT make me feel safer. It scares the shit out of me knowing that any Joe Schmoe could be carrying a gun and I wouldn't know. ESPECIALLY because I work in a retail pharmacy!

    Does your state have concealed carry laws? How do you feel about them?
    Last edited by SassyMonkey719; 07-08-2011 at 04:38 PM.
    "Deal with the world like you are shopping at a garage sale- Calmly sift through the crap with a smile! Only buy what you need!" ~ Donnie Wahlberg Words of Wisdom

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    5,307
    Apparently there's a chance that Lambeau Field will have to allow Packers fans to bring their weapons into the stadium. I can see it now: field goal kickers getting offed for missing a kick. Now I understand why they call them the Packers, 'cause they're all packing heat!

    As for my opinion of allowing the general populace to carry concealed weapons, I'm a little ambivalent. I love stories of citizens personally taking criminals down. I do think, though, that there would be more firearm deaths if people could carry. Every drunken bar brawl is going to end up with a cap in someone's ass.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    18,938
    I can see both sides. It is scary to think of how many nutjobs would be carrying guns, but a lot of them probably already do any way and we just don't know it. I can think of so many tragedies that could have different endings if someone there had a concealed weapon and was able to shoot the attacker before they killed so many people such as the shooting at Luby's by George Hennard, the shooting at McDonalds by James Huberty, the post office shooting by Pat Sherrill, the mall shooting by Robert Hawkins, etc. The gunmen may have killed a few people before the person with the concealed weapon was able to shoot him, but he wouldn't have been able to kill as many people. It is a scary world we live in.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Cheesehead Country
    Posts
    2,344
    well, it is written into the law that a business can post 'no firearm' rules... I hope most places will be posting this rules, and i can almost guarantee that Lambeau will be one of those places.

    I concure about the bar brawl's... in case you didn't know the stereotype about WI having a bar on every corner is true and there are lots of angry drunks.

    I guess I just don't understand why anybody would need to conceal a weapon unless they are up to no good?? Cant they have the same amount of protection if their weapon was NOT concealed?
    "Deal with the world like you are shopping at a garage sale- Calmly sift through the crap with a smile! Only buy what you need!" ~ Donnie Wahlberg Words of Wisdom

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    5,307
    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMonkey719 View Post
    I concure about the bar brawl's... in case you didn't know the stereotype about WI having a bar on every corner is true and there are lots of angry drunks.
    My mom is from Milwaukee, I lived there for a couple years as a young tyke. I loved the neighborhood taverns and the Friday fish fries when we went back to visit. I remember my grandpa taking me to a tavern, I sat next to him eating peanuts and drinking 7-Up. Big mistake on my GP's part, though. He was a raging alcoholic who'd been warned by my mom to never take me to a bar. He did and his grandson privileges were taken away.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Cheesehead Country
    Posts
    2,344
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbossa View Post
    My mom is from Milwaukee, I lived there for a couple years as a young tyke. I loved the neighborhood taverns and the Friday fish fries when we went back to visit. I remember my grandpa taking me to a tavern, I sat next to him eating peanuts and drinking 7-Up. Big mistake on my GP's part, though. He was a raging alcoholic who'd been warned by my mom to never take me to a bar. He did and his grandson privileges were taken away.
    LMAO!!! That's pretty much WI in a nutshell My father has a son that is 8 years older than me, and when i was little (before i started school) he would take me to the bar to have a soda while we waited to go pick my brother up from school. My mother HATED that, and yelled at him all the time about me not belonging in a bar.... Funny thing is that my Mom ended up marrying the bartender (the owners son) that served us when I was little!! So in essence, I knew my stepfather before my Mom did......
    "Deal with the world like you are shopping at a garage sale- Calmly sift through the crap with a smile! Only buy what you need!" ~ Donnie Wahlberg Words of Wisdom

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    2,122
    I lived in Milwaukee until I was about 20- I also remember the corner bars- my grandparents, parents, aunt and uncle would all go to our local gin-mill- we kids drinking soda and plugging quarters into the video games. Good memories...

    As for conceal and carry.... I'm a fan of our governor- I'm not a union person- but that's me. I am not a fan of conceal and carry. I just don't think its necessary.
    Performing my signature monkey hump move since 10/16/2007...

    RIP Dad- 11/14/1947 to 12/16/2013

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Cheesehead Country
    Posts
    2,344
    Quote Originally Posted by DietCokeofEvil View Post
    I lived in Milwaukee until I was about 20- I also remember the corner bars- my grandparents, parents, aunt and uncle would all go to our local gin-mill- we kids drinking soda and plugging quarters into the video games. Good memories...

    As for conceal and carry.... I'm a fan of our governor- I'm not a union person- but that's me. I am not a fan of conceal and carry. I just don't think its necessary.
    The whole union thing dosen't really effect me personally, but both my Mom and my Stepfather (and my brother to actually, but he is protected from it all because he is in a 'high risk' job) work for the County so I hear about it A LOT. I didn't really have a problem with the governor until this. I don't like this new law AT ALL!
    "Deal with the world like you are shopping at a garage sale- Calmly sift through the crap with a smile! Only buy what you need!" ~ Donnie Wahlberg Words of Wisdom

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Munson Manor
    Posts
    1,053
    They just passed a law in Cleveland where you can take your concealed weapon into a bar now, Who the hell thought of this Billy the Kid?
    Those are my principles.If you don't like them,I have others.

    -Groucho Marx-


  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Concord , California, United States
    Posts
    7,031
    as im aware and I may be wrong, you must apply for a speical permit to have a conceled firearm in California. They do the usual background check just like when you buy a gun. You apply with your city or county for it, they make you take a wepons training course. They make you renew it every 2 years, you MUST inform they city/county cops when you have a conceled wepon on you.

    Its forbiddin by California state law to bring a conceled weapon with or without a permit to any labor union strike.

    Im no fan of guns. But they are out there.

    I carry a rather large pocket knife with me , just as a habit I have it in a case clipped to my belt I always wear. Its in a black holder case and is always in plane sight. I use it at work but always carry it with me.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    2,122
    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMonkey719 View Post
    The whole union thing dosen't really effect me personally, but both my Mom and my Stepfather (and my brother to actually, but he is protected from it all because he is in a 'high risk' job) work for the County so I hear about it A LOT. I didn't really have a problem with the governor until this. I don't like this new law AT ALL!
    A lot of close family members are teachers and public servants as well.. but in my line of work, I see the ass end of unions every day and am not very fond of them.

    But I digress.. I am assuming the conceal carry law in WI will also include background checks and classes and such- but I still do not see the need. How often is someone in such danger that a gun is required?
    Performing my signature monkey hump move since 10/16/2007...

    RIP Dad- 11/14/1947 to 12/16/2013

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    5,307
    Another thing to consider is how trained are average citizens with firearms? How would an untrained person handle a real firefight? I would bet most of them would not be able to shoot straight in a life-threatening situation. Military and Law Enforcement personnel train constantly in these scenarios. Your average Joe with a Glock would just as likely shoot an innocent bystander or himself, IMO.

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    2,584
    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMonkey719 View Post
    The lovely governor of WI (whose ratings aren't exactly high these days) signed a law today allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons. He claims that this law is about people being able to feel safe, and feeling as if they can protect themselves. Well, I don't know about ya'll, but this law most definitely does NOT make me feel safer. It scares the shit out of me knowing that any Joe Schmoe could be carrying a gun and I wouldn't know. ESPECIALLY because I work in a retail pharmacy!

    Does your state have concealed carry laws? How do you feel about them?
    Here is a list of states that allow "concealed carry permits"

    http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/index.php

    “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

    Winston CXhruchill

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    5,307
    In California you're allowed to carry a loaded firearm at campsites. I've done a lot of desert camping at remote sites and have always brought my Glock 21 along just in case.

    Here's a link to a PDF on California Firearm laws:

    http://www.nraila.org/statelawpdfs/CASL.pdf

    Regarding my Glock, I haven't fired it in years, it sits unloaded in my safe. Personally I think that keeping it loaded and accessible would create more danger for my family than any home defense benefits it would provide. That said, part of me wants to have a firearm available if my home was ever invaded. As per my previous post, though, I don't know if I'd be able to properly use a firearm in that situation.

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    thatta way ---->
    Posts
    5,972
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbossa View Post
    Another thing to consider is how trained are average citizens with firearms? How would an untrained person handle a real firefight? I would bet most of them would not be able to shoot straight in a life-threatening situation. Military and Law Enforcement personnel train constantly in these scenarios. Your average Joe with a Glock would just as likely shoot an innocent bystander or himself, IMO.
    Barbossa, you are exactly right! The majority of these people have had no real-life experience in a situation such as this. The only requirement here is a background check and taking a hunter safety course. And I don't know about anywhere else, but I've taken a hunter's safety course before, it was a 12 hour class, and we never even touched a gun.

    I can't believe some idiot thought to allow concealed weapons into a bar.

    If you're in a crowded situation with an inexperienced shooter, you could end up in a MUCH worse situation than if you had waited for the police.
    ♥♥♥

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Houston, Texas
    Posts
    4,626
    Quote Originally Posted by Vtwin View Post
    They just passed a law in Cleveland where you can take your concealed weapon into a bar now, Who the hell thought of this Billy the Kid?

    Exactly...you might need to shoot the bartender if he/she serves you the wrong drink, or God forbid, cuts you off. In Texas, we have allowed concealed weapons for some time now... you never know, it might be necessary to shoot someone who cuts you off in traffic or doesn't speed off immediately when the light turns green. Now our governor, Idiot Rick Perry, is trying to muster support for allowing concealed weapons to be brought on to college campuses...you never know, it might be necessary to shoot the teacher who gave you a bad grade or the gal/guy who broke a Saturday night date with you. Never mind that schools are being shut down and teachers are losing their jobs left and right due to lack of state funds and revenue...way to go Idiot Perry.
    Last edited by Cynful; 07-09-2011 at 11:14 AM.

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    5,307
    Quote Originally Posted by cdolen View Post
    ...it might be necessary to shoot someone who cuts you off in traffic or doesn't speed off immediately when the light turns green.
    I thought they only did that in California!

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Kentucky
    Posts
    18,938
    Barbossa, there was a guy shot in the head in Kentucky a few years back by a retired cop over a parking spot at a grocery store! It was ruled that the retired cop was acting in self defense, which may or may not be true, and he didn't serve any time for it. The guy who was shot also had a loaded gun in his vehicle. The guy didn't die from being shot, but he is unable to take care of himself and disabled. He also has a huge hunk of skull missing that makes his head look like a cup holder.

  19. #19
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Location
    Oklahoma
    Posts
    341
    Quote Originally Posted by mammyofthree View Post
    Barbossa, there was a guy shot in the head in Kentucky a few years back by a retired cop over a parking spot at a grocery store! It was ruled that the retired cop was acting in self defense, which may or may not be true, and he didn't serve any time for it. The guy who was shot also had a loaded gun in his vehicle. The guy didn't die from being shot, but he is unable to take care of himself and disabled. He also has a huge hunk of skull missing that makes his head look like a cup holder.
    He'd be handy for the person behind him in a theater.

  20. #20
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    WI
    Posts
    2,122
    Quote Originally Posted by Barbossa View Post
    I thought they only did that in California!
    Reminds me of the movie LA Story with Steve Martin...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoU39Rpp4FI
    Performing my signature monkey hump move since 10/16/2007...

    RIP Dad- 11/14/1947 to 12/16/2013

  21. #21
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Cheesehead Country
    Posts
    2,344
    My brother is a cop, and he told me that part of the law states that no loaded weapons are allowed in any place that serves or sells alcohol. That makes me feel a little better.... still not so happy about the whole thing though!
    "Deal with the world like you are shopping at a garage sale- Calmly sift through the crap with a smile! Only buy what you need!" ~ Donnie Wahlberg Words of Wisdom

  22. #22
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,624
    Concealed carry is GREAT. Here is what you have to be truthful about and realize about concealed carry.

    1: Those with the permits have passed extensive background checks by the FBI. They have also had the required training in which they have to pay for in order to get.

    2: Criminals are going to carry regardless of what kind of laws there are. They don't need a permit. They are criminals. Therefore, those with permits are law abiding citizens trying to carry for defensive reasons.

    The US Constitution guarantees us all the right to bear arms. It is a proven fact that states with concealed carry laws have lower crime rates. Quite frankly, when people know they may encounter a gun owner, it makes them think twice about committing a crime.

    There are also states with open carry laws. You take the tests, get the background checks, and you can carry openly like a police officer. The states which allow this have even lower crime rates.

    Now, you have to utilize common sense as well. When you take the courses, you are taught to only use your weapon as the last line of defense. If you can get out of the situation without it escalating to a point where you have to draw your weapon, then do it.

    However, there are times when that weapon may save your life as it did my friend's father. He was robbed at gun point. He has his concealed carry permit, but he did not draw while being robbed. However, the robber decided to get in his truck and try to run my friends father over. THEN he drew, and handled his business. Had he not had that firearm and permit, he would not have been able to save his own life as the bad guy was about to run him over.

    My main point is this, the people who conceal carry LEGALLY are not the ones to be concerned about. They passed the classes, received the training, and have been cleared by the FBI to carry.

    The ones you want to worry about at the criminals who are going to carry regardless of what the law states. They are the reason law abiding citizens who have passed the courses and background checks should always be allowed to carry for protection. A responsible person always thinks ahead and has ways planned out to protect not only their life, but the lives of those they love.

    As far as the comments about any 'nut job' getting a permit, and folks not knowing how to shoot, that is covered in the training and background checks. Law abiding citizens should ALWAYS be allowed to carry firearms. The Constitution guarantees that right.
    Last edited by SRVFan; 07-20-2011 at 10:58 PM.

  23. #23
    I'm from KY. Concealed carry is allowed and I have a permit. I own my own business, have to carry cash on me at times, have to drive into the country to buy parts, etc. I feel a lot safer knowing that I have a handgun on me.

    It was a very extensive process to get a permit. Not any Joe can get one. It took me about 3 months to get mine. Local background checks, federal background checks, an 8 hour class, shooting range time, etc.

    I've been around firearms all my life so this is nothing new for me.

    It's my opinion that if a lot more people carried concealed, there would be a lot less crime. If you thought about robbing someone, knowing that there's a strong chance that they're armed, you're going to think longer and harder about it.

    Kentucky also has a "castle law", where if anyone comes into my home and I feel that they have an intent to harm me or my family, I can defend myself.

    I actively shoot in USPSA (United States Practical Shooting) matches so that I will be prepared and trained if I ever have to use it.

  24. #24
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    1,525
    Good God, sounds like these Law makers have serious heat stroke. That's just crazy.

  25. #25
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    1,525
    I just googled WI Governor and found this: "With the legalization in Wisconsin, Illinois is now the only state that doesn't allow concealed carry"

    That is friggin' unbelievable. I had no idea. I just can't imagine a law like that.

  26. #26
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,624
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacksmum View Post
    I just googled WI Governor and found this: "With the legalization in Wisconsin, Illinois is now the only state that doesn't allow concealed carry"

    That is friggin' unbelievable. I had no idea. I just can't imagine a law like that.

    Why not? Why should a law abiding citizen who has passed FBI background checks, and passed all training courses not be allowed to carry a weapon for self defense? I realize you are in Canada, but in the United States, the Constitution guarantees these rights.

  27. #27
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,624
    Quote Originally Posted by blykins View Post
    I'm from KY. Concealed carry is allowed and I have a permit. I own my own business, have to carry cash on me at times, have to drive into the country to buy parts, etc. I feel a lot safer knowing that I have a handgun on me.

    It was a very extensive process to get a permit. Not any Joe can get one. It took me about 3 months to get mine. Local background checks, federal background checks, an 8 hour class, shooting range time, etc.

    I've been around firearms all my life so this is nothing new for me.

    It's my opinion that if a lot more people carried concealed, there would be a lot less crime. If you thought about robbing someone, knowing that there's a strong chance that they're armed, you're going to think longer and harder about it.

    Kentucky also has a "castle law", where if anyone comes into my home and I feel that they have an intent to harm me or my family, I can defend myself.

    I actively shoot in USPSA (United States Practical Shooting) matches so that I will be prepared and trained if I ever have to use it.

    This.

    It is sad to see that people are programed to think anyone who carries is a bad guy. The bad guys are going to carry regardless of what kind of laws are there to stop them. The ones with the permits are NOT the ones to worry about. It blows my mind that people fail to see this...

  28. #28
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Toronto, Canada
    Posts
    1,525
    Quote Originally Posted by SRVFan View Post
    Why not? Why should a law abiding citizen who has passed FBI background checks, and passed all training courses not be allowed to carry a weapon for self defense? I realize you are in Canada, but in the United States, the Constitution guarantees these rights.
    I suppose it's such a foreign thing to even think of carrying a gun it just surprised me that so many do. I personally couldn't think of pulling out a gun and shooting someone, but then again I live a very safe area of Toronto so I don't think it would ever be an issue.

  29. #29
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,624
    Quote Originally Posted by Jacksmum View Post
    I suppose it's such a foreign thing to even think of carrying a gun it just surprised me that so many do. I personally couldn't think of pulling out a gun and shooting someone, but then again I live a very safe area of Toronto so I don't think it would ever be an issue.
    If someone was to rob and attempt to kill you at gunpoint, and you had the opportunity to either just lay there and die, or draw your weapon and kill them first, which would you do?

    What about your family?

    It is always better to be prepared and NEVER need it, than to need it and not be prepared. That is with anything in life, not just self preservation and protection.

    Believe me, I hope and pray I never have to shoot anyone, but I'd rather be prepared and be ready and able to defend myself and my family than be in a situation where my fate is decided by a criminal with a gun, knife, or other weapon.

  30. #30
    There was an instance here in the US several months ago where a family was at a gas station getting gas. The father was pumping gas, one child (a little girl) was still in the SUV. The mom had went in to buy some snacks.

    A guy jumps out and shoots the father while he's pumping gas and then jumps in the SUV and tries to steal it with the little girl still in there.

    The father, now wounded on the ground, was carrying concealed, pulled a handgun and shot through the window, killing the guy who tried to murder/car jack them.

    Justice.

  31. #31
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,624
    Quote Originally Posted by blykins View Post
    There was an instance here in the US several months ago where a family was at a gas station getting gas. The father was pumping gas, one child (a little girl) was still in the SUV. The mom had went in to buy some snacks.

    A guy jumps out and shoots the father while he's pumping gas and then jumps in the SUV and tries to steal it with the little girl still in there.

    The father, now wounded on the ground, was carrying concealed, pulled a handgun and shot through the window, killing the guy who tried to murder/car jack them.

    Justice.
    There was a case in Little Rock, Arkansas just a month ago where an off-duty police officer witnessed an armed robbery take place. He took no action even though it was later told he had his service weapon on him. When the police department was questioned, the chief stated that off-duty and even on-duty officers are not required to step in and stop things like this.

    Luckily, the guy was okay, but if the police are not going to protect us in a time of danger like that, who will?

  32. #32
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Kirkland, WA
    Posts
    1,277
    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMonkey719 View Post
    I guess I just don't understand why anybody would need to conceal a weapon unless they are up to no good??
    To avoid alarming the public? And letting would-be assailants guess at who's armed and who's not?
    Last edited by Maxster; 02-25-2016 at 07:41 PM.

  33. #33
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Central Florida
    Posts
    2,622
    [QUOTE=Maxster;1517138]
    Quote Originally Posted by SassyMonkey719 View Post
    I guess I just don't understand why anybody would need to conceal a weapon unless they are up to no good??QUOTE]
    To avoid alarming the public? And letting would-be assailants guess at who's armed and who's not?
    My right under law to protect my self and my family?
    Indestructible....Determination that is incorruptible
    From the other side....A terror to behold
    Annihilation will be unavoidable....Every broken enemy will know
    That their opponent had to be invincible......Take a last look around while you're alive
    I'm an indestructible master of war

  34. #34
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Dark and Bloody ground - Kentucky
    Posts
    1,368
    I've had mine for 6 years, it was a bad divorce. The only time I pack is when I go camping, and I usually just have snake shot in the 38. Now, if the ex is in town I carry a 9mm. He tried to kill me once, if there is a next time I will protect myself. I seldom leave my property, so I don't really worry about him coming close.
    If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plan.

    RIP DADDY 1/17/1925 - 5/26/2011
    RIP Momma 4/12/1930-5/13/2014

  35. #35
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    207
    That nut case out there in Kalamazoo mi (the uber driver) supposedly was afraid of people losing gun rights because of that San bernardino shootings
    So what does he do? Goes out and randomly shoots 8 innocent people, killing 6 of them! (He knew none of the victims)
    I will never understand twisted "people".

  36. #36
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    5,636
    Here in Texas, we can now open carry. I have a protection order against a stalker and I wouldn't hesitate to tattoo his face.
    To understand the living, you got to commune with the dead.
    Minerva

  37. #37
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    5,581
    I googled it and it says open carry of a handgun without a permit is legal in VA. I want to know more, I want to carry!
    <a href=http://i42.tinypic.com/etsi8j.jpg target=_blank>http://i42.tinypic.com/etsi8j.jpg</a>

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •