Someone needs to get Julia to write a book, I'd read it.
Someone needs to get Julia to write a book, I'd read it.
i love the Allman Brother's one of my favorite songs of all time is The Whipping Post.
This is the pic I remember best from when I was a kid.
I also remember when Berry Oakley died and someone had the Rolling Stone magazine that covered his death. I had to ask what 'incoherent' meant, I'd never seen the word and couldn't figure out what it meant, as in 'Berry Oakley was incoherent after the accident' or some such.
What a weird thing to remember Early, early Death Hagginess on my part.
Thanks for the link, Sea. The pics are the next best thing to being there!
I may look calm. But in my head, I've killed you three times.
It's incredibly ironic about how they both wrecked basically under the same circumstances within a mile of each other. Imo quite fitting they're buried side by side.
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[quote=Seagorath;1029664]Cheers again, A. The sites where they wrecked are in downtown Macon. Tourists can be seen taking photographs there. Love the tunes.[/q
My new interest is canned heat-I had no idea alan wilson was legally blind or what have you...pretty sad guy. GREAT band though-I can't believe they aren't in the hall.
Hi, Folks- Enjoying the thread; thought I could improve on some of the information here. Duane and Berry died in the suburban part of Macon, not downtown. Right after my senior year of college I briefly lived on Hillcrest a few blocks short of Duane's crash site (meaning he would have passed my house under a minute before) and just prior to that I had lived less than a mile beyond Berry's site (meaning he didn't quite make it to my place). Jaimoe was still kicking around the local clubs in those days (mid 80s).
Late in the afternoon of Friday, October 29, 1971, Duane was on his way from the Big House (owned by Berry and Linda) to his apartment, fairly near the current Macon Mall, I think, to retrieve stored birthday presents for a surprise party (for Berry's sister or wife, not sure which, both named Linda, I think). Several friends were following in cars; when Duane turned onto Hillcrest to take a shortcut through a quiet little suburban neighborhood, Berry missed the turn and didn't witness the accident maybe forty seconds later. As Duane approached Bartlett on his cycle, headed slightly downhill, the driver of a lumber truck coming up the hill from the other direction failed to see him coming and went into a left turn in front of him. Duane aimed his cycle wide to the left to try to squeeze past, but the truck abruptly stopped directly in Duane's path. It is not known for certain what happened next- Duane might have struck the crane on the back of the truck, or not, but he was thrown from the bike and struck the pavement, and the bike glanced off his chest, causing the internal injuries that he died from several hours later. The truck driver and his company were found liable for the accident. The driver apparently died about five years later, of causes I don't know, on the anniversary of Berry's death- November 11.
On November 11, 1972, about mid-afternoon, Berry was more or less racing his cycle with one of the band's roadies on Napier when he tried to pass a car on the left at a huge bend of the road near Inverness, nearly a ninety degree turn to the right. A Macon City bus was making the turn coming the other way, and Berry didn't have a chance to make the sharp right turn within his own lane. He strayed over the lane, and when he struck the front end of the bus it was at about a forty-five degree angle to him in mid-turn, so that he "pinballed" into the back of the bus and struck it a second time. With this second impact he was airborne, and I believe he may also have had his bike land on him. In any case, he basically cracked his skull and was a dead man walking. He caught a ride to the Big House, and was later taken to the hospital delirious and in pain, and died there. Doctors said that he could not have been saved, even if he had gone promptly to the emergency room.
Should have all that about 95% correct or better, apologies if I made any mistakes.
To understand the connection between the crash sites, draw a square. The two vertical lines are Napier (l) and Hillcrest (r), which run parallel. The two horizontal lines are Bartlett (top) and Inverness (bottom), which run parallel. The last street Duane crossed safely was Inverness; he crashed at Bartlett. The last street Berry crossed safely was Bartlett; he crashed at Inverness. So on your square, Duane was killed at the top right corner, and Berry was killed at the bottom left corner. Three very long blocks apart, maybe half a mile directly across (just a guess).
Berry was as powerful and gifted a bass player as Duane was a slide guitarist- a sensational musician who had a lot to do with arranging the band's songs. The powerful, stinging guitar intro to "Whipping Post" was his, for example.
On "Layla" Duane plays the soaring high part over the opening riff, the second time you hear Clapton down low. Duane originated his part and it was considered so important to the song that he was given 2% of the publishing, though he was not credited. His daughter later sued to actually collect the 2%. And of course the brilliant solo over the piano section is him, and the song ends with his signature "bird chirp" sounds (which Lynyrd Skynrd have often mimicked in tribute- "Free Bird" is dedicated to Duane and Berry).
The spirit of the Allman Brothers Band hangs heavy and eerie over Macon, Georgia to this day, and I hope it always will. Even the living members of the band seem to haunt College Street as their younger selves.
Great forum! Thanks for letting me be a part of it, however briefly (and long-windedly), and thanks for bringing up one of my very favorite subjects on this earth!
Here's an incredibly rare clip in color of the band with Duane and Berry, never officially released anywhere as far as I know. I think there may be less than half an hour of known professional color footage of the band with Duane in existence.
Really great contribution to the thread, Surfer Joe! And welcome!
Loved the Allman Brothers was/is one of my favorite groups especially at that time.
I was at Ludlow Garage (great venue, Jim Tarbell was the Fillmore impresario of Cincinnati) when they recorded what I think was their greatest album.
Ludlow Garage did not serve alcohol and minors were permitted. I had just turned 18 and wow what a night!
They died way too young. Here is the band intact at the Fillmore.
Love Dicky Betts.
I agree! Great read, Surfer Joe! Glad you're here, welcome!
I may look calm. But in my head, I've killed you three times.
Very very interresing. Thanks a lot.
One thing that puzzles me, and i can't seem to find any info: WHY did the truck stop in the middle of the turn? It almost seems deliberate action towards a biker??
Have you heard any info on that part?
He probably saw him at the last second and hit the truck brakes.
I dont get it. No leather jackets, no helmets, etc??
RIP Heath Ledger 1979-2008
A little more: It's kind of a sad little shady tree-lined street, sloping steadily downwards, and by the time you reach Bartlett- the crash intersection- the houses are a good deal less nice than they are nearer the top of the street (where I lived one Summer). Two of the Allman Brothers Band girls witnessed the crash, and the first house where they knocked to ask for the phone to get help they were refused. If you turn onto Bartlett as Chuck Wertz was doing that afternoon you'll immediately enter what is still an industrial area.
Hope you see this, and thanks to all for the kind words.
Berry was killed because he landed on his head (both were thrown more than thirty feet) and basically punched a hole in his forehead. He hitched home from the crash site, and then I think he went and visited friends about a downtown jam session to be held that night at Grant's Lounge before coming down the stairs of the Big House with a severe headache and speaking incoherently. Then he was finally taken to the hospital, but as I stated above doctors said he was a dead man walking from the moment of impact.
Duane was not responsible for his accident and his system was free of drugs at the time. Berry was at fault and was always known to have been a terrible bike rider. I believe he was killed on a Triumph and Duane was killed on a customized Harley. Berry had been in an extreme tailspin since Duane's death and Gregg has a lot to say about it in his new book. He says "I don't know if he was trying to die", but confirms that the drug abuse got out of control during Berry's final year and that Gregg and Dickey Betts were doing things like taking Berry to the zoo in off hours to try to keep him straight for as long as possible. Of course those two were in for their own problems.
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Surfer Joe, thanks a lot for updating this thread with, what i consider very valuable information for us fans of the great Duane and Berry!
Sorba, so glad you looked back in!!! I felt bad for missing your message for so long, especially since I knew the answer! There are a few great books on the ABB and Duane, and that's where my information came from- as well as having a good grip on the geography from having lived there. It still awes me when I pass through Macon to think that such incredibly brilliant and legendary musicians were once knocking around there and eating in the same places I did and so on- especially in such a small town. An amazing moment in time for Macon. Whenever I'm there I always go by both sites to honor them.
A biker retraces Duane and Berry's fateful rides in Macon 1971-72. Crash sites were within blocks of each other.
P.S. Video already posted.
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Yes, there was an official inquiry that held him to blame. That must have been awful. There was also a lawsuit against the company by Duane's last girlfriend, but I don't think she was able to establish any legal standing. In Wertz' defense, Duane would have been traveling fairly fast and coming down a shady, tree-lined street- understandably, Wertz never saw him.
A friend of mine looked into Wertz for me and we're pretty sure he died- no idea of what- in 1976 on the fourth anniversary of Berry's death.
Can't remember if this has been mentioned in the thread, but for years the story went around that Duane had hit a peach truck, and thus the next ABB album was called Eat A Peach. In fact, he hit a lumber truck (it's actually not certain at all whether he actually even hit the truck), but he did supply the album title with this interview comment, in answer to a question about what he was doing for the revolution: "There ain't no revolution, it's evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
That is correct. I think the info can also be found on the ABB's official site about that quote (which I joined a few days ago - I'm a huge fan of Duane and, from looking at pics of he a Berry Oakley, it's sorta weird how they both were so thin and sorta looked alike except for the facial hair.
(BTW, surfer joe, I sent you a friend request)..
"Dance like no one is watching. Sing like no one is listening. Love like you've never been hurt and live like it's Heaven on Earth" - Mark Twain
I grew up listening to The Allman Brothers. I am PISSED to see Midnight Rider reduced to a damned Geico commercial.
Date Like a Guy, so u don't get played like a bitch!
In 1970, Columbia High School in Decatur, Georgia, booked a local band for junior-senior prom that some students said were amazing. Soon after the booking, the band released a double album titled "Live At The Fillmore East" and became superstars. The Allman Brothers showed their stuff and honored the contract to play the high school date. What a helluva prom night that must have been!
Morbid coincidence: that same year Mark David Chapman, future assassin of John Lennon, was a freshman at Columbia High. source: The Strip Project
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There's a new documentary about Muscle Shoals, AL, the town where the famous Muscle Shoals Sound and Fame Studios are located. Duane Allman played there as a session musician before and during the big days of ABB success. He played guitar on great songs like "The Weight" by Aretha Franklin and even convinced Wilson Pickett to record a version of "Hey Jude".
Muscles Shoals was an amazing small town that was home to some of the most innovative music during the 60's, 70's and 80's. Great session musicians and producers brought us great music from Aretha, Dusty Springfield Rolling Stones ("Wild Horses", "Brown Sugar") Wilson Pickett, Bob Seger ("Night Moves" was recorded there), The Staples Singers, Paul Simon, and dozens more.
EDIT: And here we go:
(B) Absolutely! I'm a huge fan of surf, especially the Beach Boys, and I knew some of the Surfaris when I lived in L.A. in the nineties (mainly the late Jim Pash). Saw them live several times. I grew up with "Wipe Out"/"Surfer Joe" on the Dot label, I believe, and still have my well-worn copy.
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Did anyone ever consider suicide? I mean its so eerily similar to the way Duane died and only a year later, being the same age as Duane was. I haven't read anything about possible suicide but i just wondered if there was a chance it was?
Was it ever considered that Barry may have committed suicide?