Opinions on the leak of Nicole Nikki Catsouras' Pictures

[Jaenne]

Originally Posted by I see dead people

It would be terribly sad to loose a child, it would be even worse knowing that thier death pictures are all over the internet, chatted about in chat rooms and even worse being sent to you. But in this day and age, with instant "news" it will probably happen more and more often.

How do all of you (and I) FAD people feel about this loss of privacy? Information and media are being passed around the Internet at a faster and faster rate. Do we have to assume that anything that would end up in a police report will be accessible on the Web? Will our deaths, along with photos, be posted on the web as a matter of procedure in the future? How do you feel about that?

[Elizabeth2831]

Originally Posted by fur*elise

I heard a news clip this morning on Fox News about this so I ran a search on the pics. I was heaving, literally, when I saw them. I wish I hadn't looked them up! I felt sick at MYSELF for even LOOKING at the pics! The person who's sending them to the family ought to rot in Hell. That is the most horrendous thing I've ever seen and I thought I'd seen it all.

No kidding. I didn't want to look for a long time either, but boredom and curiosity got the best of me...I honestly don't feel sorry for her, though. I've been on the receiving end of others' thoughtless, aggressive driving and have suffered far more than they ever did...I see people do arrogant, selfish, stupid things on the road and it not only makes me angry, it scares the crap out of me. I don't think her family deserves to be taunted like that, though. I know that if that were my child, I would be feeling horrible enough...the people who did that are no better than the people who take chances on the road with other people's lives. I do wish I hadn't looked, though. Hope she didn't feel it.

[desertangel]

Curiosity got the best of me too. I can't say either way whether I regret having looked. Although knowing how upset her parents were, it did feel like I was invading somebody's privacy by looking at them.

I've been a bit of a lead foot in the past. The death scenes of Princess Diana put a serious curtailment on my bad driving habits. These pictures have now resolved those bad habits for ever. I always try to look for the good in life and my belief is that perhaps these pictures being made public could quite possibly save someone's life.

I feel sorry for the parents that they were traumatized by the pictures being leaked. These things should not be treated in this fashion unless the parents and everyone involved are okay with it and obviously they weren't so it does become an invasion of privacy.

[miamore73]

[SIZE=4]They need to be held accountable...this family is suing the Califiornia Highway Patrol for allowing the spead of pics of their daughter who died in a car accident..all over the net, with her head cut off..






Not long after their 18-year-old daughter died in a car accident, Christos and Lesli Catsouras were forced to relive their grief.

They soon began receiving anonymous e-mails and text messages that contained photographs of the accident, including pictures of Nicole Catsouras' decapitated body, still strapped to the crumpled remains of her father's Porsche. A fake MySpace page was created, which at first looked like a tribute to Catsouras but also led to the horrific photos.

"What type of individual would do that?" asked Christos.

The pictures, taken by California Highway Patrol officers and e-mailed outside the department, spread around the Internet, making their way to about 1,600 Web sites, according to an investigator hired by family. The images became so persistent that Lesli Catsouras stopped checking her e-mail. Nikki's three younger sisters were forbidden to use the Internet, and 16-year-old Danielle was taken out of school to be home schooled out of fear that her peers might confront her with the pictures.

"There was threats that people were gonna put the pictures on my locker, in my locker," said Danielle. "I remember her in such a great way, I don't wanna see it and have that image stuck in my head."

"I've stopped using my e-mail," says Lesli Catsouras. "I don't want to see these every single day. &And you know, I take a risk every time I go on the computer."

We talk about Nikki all the time, " said Christos. "We've got pictures of her everywhere, We laugh about her, cry. I always called her Angel." [/SIZE]


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[SIZE=4]Did anyone here see the pics?


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[ichabodius]

http://www.findadeath.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2761

[BigBootyJudy]

The red pouch you are seeing is her tongue. Look to the top of the pic and you can see the row of teeth.

[deathhagcutie]

ive seen alot of gross stuff before but that was the worst, i dont feel bad that i looked it just fraked me out..i couldnt get the image out of my head

[jarrett622]

Originally Posted by deathhagcutie

i dont drive cuz im scared..nice to know im nit the only one with out one..

You're not alone. My 21 yr old daughter doesn't want to drive. Never has and may never want to. Not good in our area. No public transport. I have a theory that she'll feel differently if she's the one driving. The one behind the wheel. She'll feel more in control if that makes sense. And if not...I'm ok with her not driving. She still lives at home and may do so for the rest of my life. And that's ok too. She's the only one of my 6 kids (God love each and every one of 'em) that I could stand to live with!

[jarrett622]

Originally Posted by Andrea

I don't know what that red pouch looking thing is either and I wondered about that. It looks like some kind of organ but not part of the brain. What a morbid thing to be discussing, but I know what you mean.....i.e. "what the hell is that?".

Could it be the tongue? *shudder*

[qulevergrrl]

Originally Posted by Kellycatt1

Here is a link, not sure if these are fore sure the ones your looking for.

http://www.theliberalblogger.com/for...ory-pics-1248/

huge warning!!!!!!!!!!! I looked at these and must say they are truly horrifying. I will not sleep well tonight. This happened in the same place where a friend of ours was killed in a car accident a few years ago. The photos where of two car shells that had exploded on impact. This is a terrible area for accidents. We used to drive there daily on my way to work. I live in Lake Forest.

[cherryghost]

Cant they trace who sent the photographs! Is it a crime to do something like send those images to family! It could become one in the future as laws address the internet! Its one thing to release the images out there but it seems like the family or Nikki had someone who didnt like them or has a very sick sense of .....!

[ichabodius]

Originally Posted by BigBootyJudy

The red pouch you are seeing is her tongue. Look to the top of the pic and you can see the row of teeth.

Now that you mention yes it does look like a tongue. Reminds me of Blue Eyes or Octopus Face, whichever you prefer to call him. The tongue that is.

[sheri]

dumb girl doin 100mph...just cuz a vehicle has the ability to go speeds in excess of 100mph doesnt mean it should...only vehicles i want to see goin anywhere near that are cop cars chasin for a reason, fire trucks, emts, and NASCAR...outside of those fuck no

[jarrett622]

Originally Posted by cherryghost

Cant they trace who sent the photographs! Is it a crime to do something like send those images to family! It could become one in the future as laws address the internet! Its one thing to release the images out there but it seems like the family or Nikki had someone who didnt like them or has a very sick sense of .....!

I was thinking this too and yes, there are ways to trace these people. Websites log a person's IP address every time they visit. I know that the cellphone stuff can be traced as well.

The woman states that she's afraid to check her email or even go online. Those photo's aren't just everywhere and anywhere. They have to be found. She makes it sound like if she even goes online let alone to any websites the pictures will be there. That doesn't sound right to me. Anyone that uses the internet knows we all have sites we frequent. The photos wouldn't be on ebay, for instance, or CNN...sites like that. Of course I know that the media often takes statements and paraphrases them, twists them and so on. And how is 'the family' making requests of people that do have the photos on their sites to remove them if they never go online? Obviously there's much I don't know about this case...can't know but something doesn't sound right. Fact: The photos *are* out there. From how they appear they're police evidence photos. So the source has to be the police dept or Highway Patrol...whoever it was that took those photos. How they got 'out' is anyone's guess. I do feel for the family. I wouldn't want to see my late husbands scene photos plastered all over the internet either. But, if they were I can't honestly say how I'd feel about that. Right after he died I'd have been terribly upset most likely but now? It's different now...

[KristinEileen]

Originally Posted by jarrett622

You're not alone. My 21 yr old daughter doesn't want to drive. Never has and may never want to. Not good in our area. No public transport. I have a theory that she'll feel differently if she's the one driving. The one behind the wheel. She'll feel more in control if that makes sense. And if not...I'm ok with her not driving. She still lives at home and may do so for the rest of my life. And that's ok too. She's the only one of my 6 kids (God love each and every one of 'em) that I could stand to live with!

I'm 22 and don't drive because I am a little freaked out too. I have lost a friend and an ex-boyfriend to accidents...one was someone else's mistake and the other was his own. I guess I just don't want to be a statistic....

[thescreensiren]

Those pics are seriously awful.

I actually saw them about a month after the accident....by accident. A friend on Myspace posted a bulletin warning abut "drunk driving"--since he didn't send out bulletins frequently, I decided to click on it. Mistake! He didn't give a warning at all, and attached the story about the girl and all 7-8 of those pics. This was probably a month or two after the accident. I had not heard about it but looked it up online. I couldn't believe they were real, and that they had been leaked out so fast.

What is being sent to her family is absolutely vile. Those poor people.

[Ghoulie Girl]

Those pics were definitely some of the worst I have ever seen.

[Tony Trout]

Those truly are some of the most horrifying and sickening pics I've ever seen....whoever sent these pics to her family members should burn in Hell!!

[John Trim]

Originally Posted by Aries65

Whew, pretty gory. Looks like a lot of her hair got tore off of her head too. Poor girl. Hope she went fast and didn't suffer - and hopefully it wasn't her fault for the accident either...

From what I heard she took her father's Porsche with out permission and was drunk. Hit another vehicle at a high rate of speed and then slammed into a toll booth.

[W Axl Rose]

Here's a chat transcript one of her friends posted on her blog after her death.

Nikki Catsouras = PlieSexSiielking.

[Nov. 9th, 2006|02:41 am]
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zerosanddones: Hey.
PlieSexSiielking: hey
zerosanddones: I got your message. But I didnt have time to write back.
11:55 PM
zerosanddones: I just thought it was unfair.
zerosanddones: Im clean.
zerosanddones: And I have stopped using.
PlieSexSiielking: im sorry if you see it that way but with everything thats been going on, more than you even. not just with drugs but for my well being
zerosanddones: I know.
zerosanddones: I jsut thought we could maybe stay clean together
PlieSexSiielking: you think you do but you have no idea
zerosanddones: And help each other.
PlieSexSiielking: im fine keeping clean, its been fun for me
12:00 AM
zerosanddones: I like being sober too.
zerosanddones: But Im not understanding..
zerosanddones: You don't want to see me anymore although I'm clean, and you're clean?
PlieSexSiielking: correct, like i said before its much more than you will understand
PlieSexSiielking: im sorry
zerosanddones: Can you tell me so I can understand?
PlieSexSiielking: we come from differents worlds
PlieSexSiielking: i come from outerspace
zerosanddones: Nikki.
PlieSexSiielking: no really
12:05 AM
PlieSexSiielking: maybe
PlieSexSiielking: who knows
PlieSexSiielking: but
PlieSexSiielking: its an understanding you will only recieve in a different life time
PlieSexSiielking: a different life
PlieSexSiielking: and if you dont understand that, well.. you will in a different life
zerosanddones: Nikki, you know Im a pretty understanding person.
zerosanddones: I am grasping in what you're saying.
zerosanddones: But it doesn't make sence.
PlieSexSiielking: i know you are liz, and youve been really good and true to me and i thank you for that
zerosanddones: You told me something like this when you were on acid.
PlieSexSiielking: hah
12:10 AM
PlieSexSiielking: did you know i walked up a hill for twenty minutes barefoot on acid
PlieSexSiielking: and at the top of the hill i sat on the ground next to one coutch filled with people
PlieSexSiielking: i felt sad that night
zerosanddones: Yes.
PlieSexSiielking: and walked up a little further to the mood
PlieSexSiielking: moon
PlieSexSiielking: and could feel jesus
zerosanddones: But you never told me why you were sad.
zerosanddones: I know that you're a depressive person.
zerosanddones: Did Jesus say anything to you?
PlieSexSiielking: no, i was sad because i was alone on acid
zerosanddones: Remember that Leah and I were also on acid that night and we went to your house and rang the doorbell, knocked on doors and windows for 30 minutes?
12:15 AM
zerosanddones: We wanted to rescue you.
zerosanddones: And be with you.
PlieSexSiielking: that was sweet
zerosanddones: We sware, we had the thought that Julien was corrupting you. In a way, it was true.
zerosanddones: Then I had a complete feeling of failure that I had lost you. (because you didn't come out of your house)
PlieSexSiielking: you tripped me out, i dint know it was you
zerosanddones: Haha well. its acid!
PlieSexSiielking: true that
12:30 AM
zerosanddones: What do you do all the time now?
zerosanndones: Am I getting anywhere even? A slight understanding?
12:40 AM
zerosanddones: OK there might be more. I can get that.
12:55 AM
PlieSexSiielking has gone offline.



03/04/88 - 10/31/06
I love you.

She was driving her Dad's Porche 911 driving 100 MPH on the 241 toll, when she was changing lanes and sideswiped a grey Honda which made her flip, roll, go across the grass divider, and she crashed into a toll booth.

I'm going to miss her. But know for a fact that she's in a better place..

[kdeazell]

In the OC register today. I hope they get this CHP officer for his stupid decision.
Reado on:

Decision postponed in Catsouras suit against CHP

Judge was to decide whether to dismiss family's case against 2 CHP employees over grisly accident photos that appeared on Internet.

By GREG HARDESTY
The Orange County Register
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SANTA ANA – Saying he wants to give the case the attention it deserves, a judge Friday postponed for a month a decision on whether to toss out a lawsuit filed by a family against two California Highway Patrol employees over accident photos leaked onto the Internet.
Superior Court Judge Steven L. Perk set a new court date of Feb. 8 to rule on the lawsuit, filed by the family of Nikki Catsouras, 18, of Ladera Ranch.
Graphic photos of Nikki's body after she crashed her father's Porsche on the 241 toll road in Lake Forest on Oct. 31, 2006 were leaked onto the Internet. The CHP took responsibility for the leak. Accident photos are supposed to be used only for investigative purposes.
The Catsouras family, of Ladera Ranch, has suffered great anguish from the worldwide distribution of the photos of their dead daughter, according to the lawsuit. They are seeking damages based on negligence, invasion of privacy and other legal causes of action.
The family – Nikki has three younger sisters – already has passed one major legal hurdle as their civil lawsuit winds its way through the courts.
In a previous ruling, Perk ruled that the CHP can be held potentially liable for the actions of its two dispatchers, Thomas O'Donnell and Aaron Reich.
Now, in what will be another key ruling, Perk must decide whether O'Donnell and Reich, as individuals, potentially should face trial. The men's attorneys are seeking to get the lawsuit tossed out. In court papers, their lawyers argue that they were within their First Amendment rights to free speech in causing the images to be circulated onto the Internet.
Attorneys for the Catsouras family believe they have a strong case, and are confident Perk will allow the civil lawsuit to proceed. The family, in a legal claim that was a precursor to the lawsuit, sought at least $20 million in damages.
"While we believe this (upcoming) hearing is an important one, if the judge does not rule in our favor, we definitely will be pursuing all avenues – including filing an appeal,'' said Keith G. Bremer, of Bremer Whyte Brown & O'Meara in Newport Beach.
"We're still confident we will prevail,'' Bremer said. "The actions of the CHP and these two defendants clearly were negligent."
R. Rex Parris, O'Donnell's attorney, said in brief comments after today'shearing outside the courtroom that the Catsouras family's lawsuit has no merit.
Although Parris expressed sadness for Nikki's fate and the taunting her family has endured from strangers who have seen the images online, he said only Nikki is to blame for what happened – and what happened was a result of her committing a "felony" by taking her father's car without permission and driving more than 100 mph, Parris said
Neither O'Donnell, Reich or members of the Catsouras family were in court today.
Four lawyers and a paralegal showed up to represent the defendants, and two attorneys were on hand representing the Catsouras family in a case that has garnered national media attention.

[kdeazell]

Originally Posted by johntrim040851

From what I heard she took her father's Porsche with out permission and was drunk. Hit another vehicle at a high rate of speed and then slammed into a toll booth.

Alcohol was not involved at all.

[NOVSTORM]

There had to be a reason why these photos were sent to the parents andthe rest of the family? There has to be more to this story. They had email and phone numbers.
While these pictures are very graphic they could serve to deter kids from stealing cars,having booze and going 100 mph. I read somewhere that she had her car taken away from her for some reason and then stole her dads. No one should die that way but kids do everyday. Her parents have gone thru enough pain and sooner or later they will find out who sent them, I don't understand why they haven't as yet because there is always anumber attached to things you get on a cell phone and even if the number is blocked the cell phone company can unblock it.
I hope the culprit is caughtand punished for this . There has to be something not quite right with this person.

[NOVSTORM]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Well, from what it looks like- she may of hit the wall with her head and the top portion or the hood as well. The brains are on the ground, and it looks like she got smashed and twisted.
I feel really badly even discussing this...

you need to go to site and type in " index pictures" it is the first one that comes up.

[Daphne]

OMG those pictures.. she was such a young beautiful girl, those pictures are just shocking, and to send these to her family, I agree with all, its just vile and totally unexcusable.

[jarrett622]

Originally Posted by kdeazell

Alcohol was not involved at all.

Not according to the 911 call that her dad made to the police...if I recall correctly he stated that she had been drinking all day and had taken his car without his permission.

[Daphne]

For those interested, I ran across this entry in a forum discussing the accident and the aftermath:

Posted by Trey, 31 December, 2007 14:32:32
I know personally one of the emergency responders to that incident. The actual estimated speed at impact was 110 miles per hour, plus or minus 5 mph. She was well aware of what was happening as she had a spontaneous bladder evac (in other words she peed her pants) prior to death. It's a horrible thought she realized, momentarily, her actions were going to cost her her life. But I have little sympathy. She was horribly negligent. Her parents lawsuit has some merit, however. The public should never have seen these grotesque investigation photos. It is a travesty.

[ichabodius]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdeazell
Alcohol was not involved at all.

Not according to the 911 call that her dad made to the police...if I recall correctly he stated that she had been drinking all day and had taken his car without his permission.

When I was a teenager my parents didn't know what I was on half the time. Im sure their first assumption was alchohol. They were so naive.
Just because her father said in the 911 call she had been drinking all day doesnt mean she was. More likely she had been up on a 4 day meth or coke binge. You definitely dont wanna drive at the end of one of those. And people dont say their "using" or "not using" if they just drink.

[cherryghost]

Also very curious as to why Nikki's sister is too scared to go to school and open her locker in case there is a photo of her sisters accident inside? So its obviously school students who are sending the photos???

[Katie]

Why don't we look at this in another way, and discuss it. What about what this girl did, and what could have happened.

Fact, She killed herself.

Fact, She could have murdered others along with herself.

Fact, You don't put a gun in a teens hand, so why did she have this lethal weapon in hers.

Fact, Any money they sue for will not bring her back.

Fact, Stopping the law suit, and instead starting a non profit group who takes these pictures around to the different kids organizations, might save another life.

Fact, You can not unring a bell. The pictures are out there, so how do you undo that.

Fact, If they can sue for money, then the Honda owner should sue for the same amount against the family. As far as we know, he didn't do anything wrong. She tried to kill him, not him trying to kill her.

Fact, News breaks fast, and it goes away fast. What harm is the family doing by keeping this in the news?

Now, let's talk about it.

[Clevelanddeathfan]

The pictures could be used to promote safe driving habits. Two dispatchers were the ones who leaked the photos? THey should be fired. The pictures were taken for investigation purposes, not to get into the hands of some dispatchers.

[lisalouver]

I had never heard of this girl or the incident. Why is this in the news, because the photos were leaked?

I work fatal accidents all the time and I am curious as how dispatchers could get scene photos like that? At our scenes, the only ones who have the pictures on their cameras are us (Medical Examiners) and the crime lab.

Interesting.

[itsintheeyes]

Originally Posted by Daphne

For those interested, I ran across this entry in a forum discussing the accident and the aftermath:

Posted by Trey, 31 December, 2007 14:32:32
I know personally one of the emergency responders to that incident. The actual estimated speed at impact was 110 miles per hour, plus or minus 5 mph. She was well aware of what was happening as she had a spontaneous bladder evac (in other words she peed her pants) prior to death. It's a horrible thought she realized, momentarily, her actions were going to cost her her life. But I have little sympathy. She was horribly negligent. Her parents lawsuit has some merit, however. The public should never have seen these grotesque investigation photos. It is a travesty.

Damn, to know that you're going to die long enough to pee your pants. That is incredibly awful. I don't even want to think about what she might have been thinking. Yes, she was negligent, but nobody should die like that.

Lisalover...she is in the news primarily because the photos were leaked and the case her family is making against CHP.

[ichabodius]

There was a pretty good thread on another forum about the whole pooping/pissing/cumming when you die thing. I think it was Snopes. The consensus was gravity or pressure decides weather or not you evacuate (my friend died last April in her sleep laying on her back -she did not pee or poop - she would be so happy to know that - she was a neat freak.). This probably happened so fast that she didnt even have time to realize what was going on. My bet is the force of the collision squeezed all the pee out of her.

[cherryghost]

The US is soooo litigious really! Everyone should just sue everyone and the rest of you should only aspire to becoming Lawyers so you can cash in on the insanity of it all!

Oh I know Im possibly only envious or peturbed because Australia has just not quite caught up to this cashcow yet, still we are in hot persuit!

[ichabodius]

I agree. Yes it was horrible for them to have received those pics of their daughter, but are they owed monetary compensation for it? No! People feel so entitled these days. Life is a bitch.

[itsintheeyes]

Um, that's good to know..if there is a good part to all of this. I wouldn't have wanted her to know that she was going to die. I've seriously been making a pout ever since I read that earlier post.

[seamuskaxen]

I can see Gory pictures, it never gets to me. But I feel sorry for the family, they never asked for this. Although I think it was stupid of the dad to leave the keys to his car.

[Daphne]

[quote=itsintheeyes;117095]Damn, to know that you're going to die long enough to pee your pants. That is incredibly awful. I don't even want to think about what she might have been thinking. Yes, she was negligent, but nobody should die like that.

Those were my thoughts exactly..

[Jason]

I was driving pretty fast the other day... Nikki's pictures popped into my head and I began to slow down. Not much makes me slow down when I am in a hurry, but these did and I drove at a reasonable speed for the rest of my way.

As disturbing as these images are, it is important people see them to realize the aftermath of a car accident.

[SlippyInvader]

I've just found those photos on Charonboat.com and I can honestly say they're the worse pictures i've ever seen. I feel sorry for the people that have to clean that mess up and her poor family that had to see them. How the hell would they manage to keep her in one piece so she can be buried? I often wonder that when people are in little pieces, do they put them in bags and store the remains in the mortuary or cremate them? You've sure gotta have a strong stomach to deal with that sort of gore.

[death_hag_slag]

jeez, terrible pictures

[W Axl Rose]

Originally Posted by itsintheeyes

Damn, to know that you're going to die long enough to pee your pants. That is incredibly awful. I don't even want to think about what she might have been thinking. Yes, she was negligent, but nobody should die like that.

At 100mph with the distances involved between clipping the Honda, losing control and hitting the toll booth I get the impression her bladder evacuation can be attributed to automatism. She wouldn't have known a thing.

[suzycreamcheese]

one hundred miles an hour?!

[malaki]

Crap!!! I guess I'm too late it's not showing any pics!!! it wants a log in
and password...Know of any other links?? anyone???

[lisalouver]

Originally Posted by malaki

Crap!!! I guess I'm too late it's not showing any pics!!! it wants a log in
and password...Know of any other links?? anyone???

I logged in and made a password just a few days ago, the pics were still there.

[malaki]

I guess I should've looked further...re slipperys charonboat site....I saw this story on Dateline and remember hearing about the pics.

[lisalouver]

Originally Posted by SlippyInvader

I've just found those photos on Charonboat.com and I can honestly say they're the worse pictures i've ever seen. I feel sorry for the people that have to clean that mess up and her poor family that had to see them. How the hell would they manage to keep her in one piece so she can be buried? I often wonder that when people are in little pieces, do they put them in bags and store the remains in the mortuary or cremate them? You've sure gotta have a strong stomach to deal with that sort of gore.

I can answer regarding the morgue since I work as a death invetigastor, but I do not know what the mortuary does with them.

Her body actually is pretty intact. At the scene, the smaller pieces of the brain and bone fragments would all be picked up and placed in red biohazard bags. These would be weighed with her "whole" body back at the morgue to obtain an accurate weight. Also, during the post, the doctor will want as many pieces of the brain as he/she can get as to weigh the brain and get as close to an accurate organ weight as they can.

Her body would be autopsied like normal and in normal fashion, her body would be sewed with the organs placed back inside the body cavity. Any restoration of any parts would be done back at the mortuary....

But as far as cremation, none of that is ever done at the morgue, and that decision would have to be made by the family.

We had one instance I can remember of a man being burned pretty bad, living in the burn unit for some time (a couple of weeks, perhaps) and having his leg amputated. The family wanted his leg buried with him so we had to retreive that from the hospital to give to the mortuary to go with him.

On the urination note, people lose control of thier bladder/bowels all the time in death. Someone who dies a perfectly "natural" death at home in bed that will happen to, so it has nothing to do with the car accident itself.

[SheBoss]

Since I'm so slow on the uptake, I'm just now getting around to seeing the pics. It seems it has been awhile, so the link here doesn't work and the pics - while not hard to find, were all that easy either.

Truthfully, the pics didn't look near as bad as what I thought they would by reading your posts. I do feel sorry for the family and hope their nightmare with the pictures ends.

[tuesdays_jupiter]

i feel for the sisters of the girl...they shouldn't have to live in fear of seeing their sister like that. A friend of mine died in a similar way and I couldn't fathom the idea of her little sister seeing accident photos.