Michael Jackson 2

[tamiele]

Originally Posted by Perdi

I love Michael Jackson. He was extraordinarily talented vocally. He wrote some amazing songs, and he could put on a show like no one else. Please remember all this when you read the following. I really do love him....honestly!!!!

Is he a musical genius? No - I have to agree with Jefe. I have played the flute for 25 years, the oboe for 18 and the piano for 10 and I have a degree in music. You cannot put a chap who can hear in his head a three minute pop song and then contribute towards its notation and arrangement into the same category as Mozart who had the ability to hear an entire symphony in his head, then notate it with no errors and pass it out to an orchestra who could find no error with it on the first playing...and he could do that from the age of 9!! That is musical genius.

Consider also Shostakovich, who was composing in Post Revolutionary Russia. He had to conform to exceptionally tight and strict regulations...compositions had to sound happy, they had to be patriotic etc etc and the failure to compose in this manner was punishable by death. Shostakovich managed, until his escape to the US, to obey the rules, but bend them to the point that his music is widely considered as being exceptionally rebellious, indeed the man himself confirmed this as being his intention! The amount of musical skill involved to achieve this is staggering, particularly under the conditions he was working. He was a musical genius.

I think that when it comes to 'The Show' as it were and the field of contemporary popular music, he can be considered a comparative genius against his peers, but to speak of him as an overall musical genius is overstating it somewhat. With regard to his inability to write or read music, that is a limitation of his own making - it truly isn't rocket science, I learnt aged 6 using very simple rhymes. Had he the inclination to read or write music, there were plenty of people around him who could have taught him very swiftly, but that was the problem. He never NEEDED to learn, so he didn't. That doesn't make him a musical genius, it makes him a soupcon lazy!!!!!

Okay, I hear you Perdi....and as always your "soupcon lazy" terms, etc., crack me up....

However, and perhaps genius isn't the term that applies here, but in observing him in This Is It, he clearly hears the music almost as an extention of himself. He has a definite perfected melody in his mind (according to his own tastes, of course), and he can hardly think straight until he can communicate to others what the sound should be like. You can see him so focused and engrossed in the sound, and agitated unless he can get it right. Even in rehearsals you can see that his perfectionism causes him difficulties as it contradicts the act of a "rehearsal"...he stops and apologizes for skipping over things from time to time, to conserve his voice, but even in those moments he still wants to perform that number perfectly.

I have to add this too, that if there wasn't something remarkable about what he does, there wouldn't be a movie made, nor an audience for, 2 hours of rehearsal footage. What ever he had, the "it" factor, he had it in abundance...I think almost all can agree on that one.

[Perdi]

Originally Posted by tamiele

Okay, I hear you Perdi....and as always your "soupcon lazy" terms, etc., crack me up....

However, and perhaps genius isn't the term that applies here, but in observing him in This Is It, he clearly hears the music almost as an extention of himself. He has a definite perfected melody in his mind (according to his own tastes, of course), and he can hardly think straight until he can communicate to others what the sound should be like. You can see him so focused and engrossed in the sound, and agitated unless he can get it right. Even in rehearsals you can see that his perfectionism causes him difficulties as it contradicts the act of a "rehearsal"...he stops and apologizes for skipping over things from time to time, to conserve his voice, but even in those moments he still wants to perform that number perfectly.

I have to add this too, that if there wasn't something remarkable about what he does, there wouldn't be a movie made, nor an audience for, 2 hours of rehearsal footage. What ever he had, the "it" factor, he had it in abundance...I think almost all can agree on that one.

Tam, I totally agree with you!!! I absolutely think that he was amazing...I just think that the term 'Musical Genius' gets bandied about a wee bit swiftly sometimes for people who, while being undoubtedly outstanding and amazing, just aren't genius, and then I feel bad for the people who genuinely are, but people just don't know about it, and then I have to tell everyone and sound like a total dork and start talking too much and just shut me up for goodness sake!!!!!!!!!

[tamiele]

Originally Posted by Perdi

Tam, I totally agree with you!!! I absolutely think that he was amazing...I just think that the term 'Musical Genius' gets bandied about a wee bit swiftly sometimes for people who, while being undoubtedly outstanding and amazing, just aren't genius, and then I feel bad for the people who genuinely are, but people just don't know about it, and then I have to tell everyone and sound like a total dork and start talking too much and just shut me up for goodness sake!!!!!!!!!

Haha....come here (grabbing Perdi by the shoulders and shaking for her own sake...)...okay, feeling better?, but you make a good point and you are coming from a different perspective that most of us do not have so they are definitely valuable comments.

[cindyt]

Originally Posted by Perdi

I love Michael Jackson. He was extraordinarily talented vocally. He wrote some amazing songs, and he could put on a show like no one else. Please remember all this when you read the following. I really do love him....honestly!!!!

Is he a musical genius? No - I have to agree with Jefe. I have played the flute for 25 years, the oboe for 18 and the piano for 10 and I have a degree in music. You cannot put a chap who can hear in his head a three minute pop song and then contribute towards its notation and arrangement into the same category as Mozart who had the ability to hear an entire symphony in his head, then notate it with no errors and pass it out to an orchestra who could find no error with it on the first playing...and he could do that from the age of 9!! That is musical genius.

Consider also Shostakovich, who was composing in Post Revolutionary Russia. He had to conform to exceptionally tight and strict regulations...compositions had to sound happy, they had to be patriotic etc etc and the failure to compose in this manner was punishable by death. Shostakovich managed, until his escape to the US, to obey the rules, but bend them to the point that his music is widely considered as being exceptionally rebellious, indeed the man himself confirmed this as being his intention! The amount of musical skill involved to achieve this is staggering, particularly under the conditions he was working. He was a musical genius.

I think that when it comes to 'The Show' as it were and the field of contemporary popular music, he can be considered a comparative genius against his peers, but to speak of him as an overall musical genius is overstating it somewhat. With regard to his inability to write or read music, that is a limitation of his own making - it truly isn't rocket science, I learnt aged 6 using very simple rhymes. Had he the inclination to read or write music, there were plenty of people around him who could have taught him very swiftly, but that was the problem. He never NEEDED to learn, so he didn't. That doesn't make him a musical genius, it makes him a soupcon lazy!!!!!

I agree. Michael Jackson had an extraordinary talent, but he was not a genius.

(My brother could read notes and he could play any instrument available to him--piano, drums, horns, etc. He became a cop. Lol.)

[desertangel]

I would like to state the obvious here (or maybe not so obvious, to some...) I could be wrong, but I believe the term genius as it is being used in this thread is more likely NOT an attempt to lump MJ in the same category as Beethoven... all due respect to the classic composers. MJ is more likely being referred to as genius in comparison to the likes of a Joe Jonas, for example. A more modern contemporary rather than one from hundreds of years ago. Like I said, I could be wrong, but that's what I was getting from it. Of course, we could continue to argue the point for the sake of argument alone and continue to split little hairs... that might be fun... but...

[Serendipitous]

I agree Desertangel.

I ran across this definition of genius and I think it could apply here, "Although difficult to quantify, genius refers to a level of aptitude, capability or achievement which exceeds even that of most other exceptional contemporaries in the same field."

Michael was not genius as compared to Beethoven, Mozart, etc. Michael was genius in that he expanded and/or defined a whole genre of music - Pop. Michael was genius in his ability to create - whether it be through music, dance or video - an indelible mark upon the modern musical scene.

[DHfromTN]

Originally Posted by SassyMonkey719

try this...

Thanks!!

[monroe62]

Just saw this on TMZ

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/08/michae...n-crypt-photo/

Don't know how they're doing it, or why Forest Lawn is allowing it, but people are leaving craploads of stuff at his crypt in the supposedly off-limits Great Mausoleum.

Can't leave flowers for Harlow, but yes for MJ?

Where's the fairness?

[disco]

Michael is buried in some lock down formidable looking mausoleun church looking thing at forest lawn. But he has gotten 8700 well wishes on find a grave. We have one here, I visited the other day. I always tell my peeps, just burn me and be done with it!

[DHfromTN]

Originally Posted by monroe62

Just saw this on TMZ

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/08/michae...n-crypt-photo/

Don't know how they're doing it, or why Forest Lawn is allowing it, but people are leaving craploads of stuff at his crypt in the supposedly off-limits Great Mausoleum.

Can't leave flowers for Harlow, but yes for MJ?

Where's the fairness?

They aren't letting them in, his fans are leaving him flowers and gifts outside the doors of the Holly Terrace and the guards take them inside.

[desertangel]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous

I agree Desertangel.

I ran across this definition of genius and I think it could apply here, "Although difficult to quantify, genius refers to a level of aptitude, capability or achievement which exceeds even that of most other exceptional contemporaries in the same field."

Michael was not genius as compared to Beethoven, Mozart, etc. Michael was genius in that he expanded and/or defined a whole genre of music - Pop. Michael was genius in his ability to create - whether it be through music, dance or video - an indelible mark upon the modern musical scene.

That's the wiki definition and it appears a few times in this (or the other) thread. When I looked up Webster's definition, their video player came on. The guy was talking about how they track the day's most looked up words... "for example, after Michael Jackson died, the most looked up words were recussitated and stricken. A few days later it was emaciated and RIP." I nearly ran from the room screaming... talk about the willies!!

Sorry... hopefully this doesn't come too close to the line of having nothing to do with the thread topic... it just was so weird, I had to share.

FWIW: I'd say MJ fit the Webster's definition of genius also.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genius

[Amaya-chan]

Originally Posted by monroe62

Just saw this on TMZ

http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/08/michae...n-crypt-photo/

That sure is a nice resting place for the King of Pop. But...why isn't his name on the crypt? o_O

I'll agree with many on here that Michael was a genius. Maybe not in the same league as Beethoven and all those guys, but he was truly one-of-a-kind and changed music forever.

[SomeChick]

I think charisma yes, genius no.

[icalledhisname]

Originally Posted by JefeStone

So basically he is a geinus because he can hum a melody and a real musician can interpret that into what her hears and play the song for him? If he was a musical genius he should be able to pick up the instrument and play it. Quincey Jones is more responsible for MJ's sound than MJ is. People comparing him to Mozart is a joke, Mozart was composing entire symphonies and Opera's befor he was 10. Beethoven was deaf and wrote entire symphonies by hand. That is a genius. Co-Writing 3 minute pop songs is not. Is Madonna a genius as well?

No. Tamiele explained it better than I did. Michael Jackson has an incredible ear, which isn't unique, but talented none-the-less. I would NEVER compare MJ to Mozart, not only because technically Mozart was amazing, but because they do different things and can't be compared. As a singer and piano player I can speak from experience that Michael Jackson was gifted. He was a million times more musical than I could ever dream of being (in terms of understanding music and feeling it). He also had incredible control over his voice (whether you like his tone or not). That control is rare to have. I know nothing of Madonna so I can't comment on that, but what I do know is that Michael Jackson had an enormous talent. He could get into the music, really feeling it, becoming it, and I can't think of many other artists who can do that. If you're not a musician then you wouldn't understand what I mean. It's one thing to play the music, another to BE the music. Anybody can learn an instrument. Not many people have the genius to manipulate it.

I actually don't like Michael Jackson's music very much. I personally don't like his voice. But I give respect when it's due, you can't deny his talent just because it doesn't suit you. I enjoy the fact that he was talented and I admire the fact that he was an incredible father.

[tamiele]

Originally Posted by icalledhisname

No. Tamiele explained it better than I did. Michael Jackson has an incredible ear, which isn't unique, but talented none-the-less. I would NEVER compare MJ to Mozart, not only because technically Mozart was amazing, but because they do different things and can't be compared. As a singer and piano player I can speak from experience that Michael Jackson was gifted. He was a million times more musical than I could ever dream of being (in terms of understanding music and feeling it). He also had incredible control over his voice (whether you like his tone or not). That control is rare to have. I know nothing of Madonna so I can't comment on that, but what I do know is that Michael Jackson had an enormous talent. He could get into the music, really feeling it, becoming it, and I can't think of many other artists who can do that. If you're not a musician then you wouldn't understand what I mean. It's one thing to play the music, another to BE the music. Anybody can learn an instrument. Not many people have the genius to manipulate it.

I actually don't like Michael Jackson's music very much. I personally don't like his voice. But I give respect when it's due, you can't deny his talent just because it doesn't suit you. I enjoy the fact that he was talented and I admire the fact that he was an incredible father.

I think what we are talking about here, without trying to label it, is that "thing" that made Michael Jackson the biggest superstar of all time. What is it that has people selling their first born just to get a ticket to his concert? What is it that has other famous people buying tickets and flying over to London to see him in concert too. I listen to enough music and follow enough artists to know that the reaction to MJ is larger than life, it is electrifying. There likely isn't a term to properly define it....because it is rare and we don't see it very often...and maybe we never will again.

[Perdi]

Originally Posted by icalledhisname

No. Tamiele explained it better than I did. Michael Jackson has an incredible ear, which isn't unique, but talented none-the-less. I would NEVER compare MJ to Mozart, not only because technically Mozart was amazing, but because they do different things and can't be compared. As a singer and piano player I can speak from experience that Michael Jackson was gifted. He was a million times more musical than I could ever dream of being (in terms of understanding music and feeling it). He also had incredible control over his voice (whether you like his tone or not). That control is rare to have. I know nothing of Madonna so I can't comment on that, but what I do know is that Michael Jackson had an enormous talent. He could get into the music, really feeling it, becoming it, and I can't think of many other artists who can do that. If you're not a musician then you wouldn't understand what I mean. It's one thing to play the music, another to BE the music. Anybody can learn an instrument. Not many people have the genius to manipulate it.

I actually don't like Michael Jackson's music very much. I personally don't like his voice. But I give respect when it's due, you can't deny his talent just because it doesn't suit you. I enjoy the fact that he was talented and I admire the fact that he was an incredible father.

They're not that different...they were just born a few hundred years apart! Mozart was the most popular contemporary musician of his time. His music was the Pop of the moment, so really, Michael Jackson is the Mozart of this generation.....only not quite as talented (I know, sorry, I just can't let it go can I!!! Just shoot me now...)

[monroe62]

Originally Posted by DHfromTN

They aren't letting them in, his fans are leaving him flowers and gifts outside the doors of the Holly Terrace and the guards take them inside.

Which is highly unusual for the guards to do as most security for the GM at FL is by video camera and electronic lock. Or at least it was when I lived in LA. But then again, it was back in the 90s.

Though you could get in by having flowers and memorizing a name of someone you could see through one of the windows - just not anyone famous. They'd ask over the intercom when you buzzed them and it took a few minutes for them to check and get back, but once in, you're in.

Problem is finding your way around as it's very bizzarely laid out (or so it seems).

[KELT]

Tonight on LARRY KING LIVE, a very special LARRY KING LIVE..........

" So LISA MARIE what was it like making love with an African American child molester with a penchant for young caucasian and hispanic boys ?
Any truth to the rumor that he'd call you Junior as he was climaxing ? "

" Now LISA MARIE you described MICHAEL as very masculine, almost animal like in bed.
Have you tried one of the GABOR sisters ?
The great Zsa Zsa for example. You might find her more than you could handle ..... "

" JERMAINE it's been days since we've spoken with you.
Tell us, is your brother still dead ? "

[sablegsd]

Originally Posted by SomeChick

I think charisma yes, genius no.

I think charisma no, genius no.

Kelt, the LK Almost Alive post ,

[Katastrophe]

Now his parents are in court over whether the will is real or not.
I was hoping Michael could rest in peace, as he deserves to just like anyone else.
Alas...some things are just not meant to be it seems.

[SomeChick]

Originally Posted by KELT

Tonight on LARRY KING LIVE, a very special LARRY KING LIVE..........

" So LISA MARIE what was it like making love with an African American child molester with a penchant for young caucasian and hispanic boys ?
Any truth to the rumor that he'd call you Junior as he was climaxing ? "

" Now LISA MARIE you described MICHAEL as very masculine, almost animal like in bed.
Have you tried one of the GABOR sisters ?
The great Zsa Zsa for example. You might find her more than you could handle ..... "

" JERMAINE it's been days since we've spoken with you.
Tell us, is your brother still dead ? "

♥

[Tree]

Has anyone heard the rumor that there is an autopsy pic floating around out there of michael jackson...they say its not a cell phone pic either that the quality is too good..just curious....

[Dearheart]

I've heard the rumor as well but have yet to see it...if it really exists in the hands of someone who would release it? I heard it's a hot of his head only and his eyes are open...won't surprise me if it is released..same with the casket shot...I totally think someone (even a family member) got a pic of him in da box and it will get leaked!

[Shejay]

Said it before and I will say it again ~ I would love to see a pic of "Jacko in the Box". Mannnnn, and autopsy pic of him on the slab would be icing on the cake.

[tamiele]

Originally Posted by Shejay

Said it before and I will say it again ~ I would love to see a pic of "Jacko in the Box". Mannnnn, and autopsy pic of him on the slab would be icing on the cake.

As difficult as that would be to see it, I am equally intrigued by the idea so I would look for sure. If a photo does exist, and the family has anything to do with it, it WILL get leaked and a profit will be made, I have no doubt.

[radiojane]

Originally Posted by Shejay

Said it before and I will say it again ~ I would love to see a pic of "Jacko in the Box". Mannnnn, and autopsy pic of him on the slab would be icing on the cake.

He couldn't possibly be any more unattractive than he was in life. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that any difference between a living wacko and a dead one would be invisible to the naked eye.

And there is a huge difference between genius and talent. He had the god given gift of a voice and some on stage charisma. But genius, No.

[DHfromTN]

I really, really don't want to see an autopsy pic so can I ask you guys a favor.. if it does get out and you guys post it in this thread, will you please put a big Warning before you post it? IDK why, but his is the only one (other than family) that I really don't want to see.. Thanks =)

[tamiele]

With the exception of a few looks that I didn't personally dig, I have always found him attractive and as they say....I wouldn't kick him outta my bed for eatin' crackers.

[desertangel]

... moving on.....


Seems every day there is another creditor coming forward with a claim against Michael's estate for thousands or millions of dollars. For the amount his estate grew in the months following his death, I wonder how much will be left after everyone is paid off. Might be time to chum the waters again....

[DHfromTN]

Originally Posted by tamiele

With the exception of a few looks that I didn't personally dig, I have always found him attractive and as they say....I wouldn't kick him outta my bed for eatin' crackers.

I thought he was beautiful until he died because I could still see the young, sweet Michael under all that surgery. I also know the hurt that goes along with never being okay with yourself or your appearance, so I can understand why he did what he did..

[Amaya-chan]

Originally Posted by desertangel

... moving on.....


Seems every day there is another creditor coming forward with a claim against Michael's estate for thousands or millions of dollars. For the amount his estate grew in the months following his death, I wonder how much will be left after everyone is paid off. Might be time to chum the waters again....

Yeah, the amount of people trying to get a piece of the pie is crazy. Even John Landis was trying to get a claim, which surprised me cause he didn't seem like that sort of guy. Eh, you do what you have to, I guess.

With all the talk that's been had since MJ died, I realized...there's no article on the FAD main page for him. O_O Is Scott waiting until the LAPD is done investigating everything or is it going to be like Marilyn Monroe where he won't do it cause there's too much info out there?

[Elizabeth]

Saw "This Is It" yesterday, and would totally recommend any MJ fan go see it on the big screen.....yes, it will be released on DVD/Blu Ray, but it won't be quite the same, with the big sound.....he is very sweet throughout, and even if he is voicing displeasure about something he ends his comment with "this is said with love, L-O-V-E"....

My only slight displeasure was that, although his dancing was spectacular, his singing was not 100%.....he does say that he is saving his voice, and when he forgets on "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" and sings full throttle, he gets mad at himself for getting caught up in it....

I teared up when the J-5 medley came up, and there were clips from their career in the 70's....Michael rocks on "I'll Be There".....

I miss him more than ever now.....

[JanGirl]

Evan Chandler, Father of Boy Who Accused Michael Jackson of Molestation, Commits Suicide

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Written by olivia on Nov-17-09 10:06pm
Evan Chandler is the father of Jordan (Jordy) Chandler, the then 13-year-old boy who accused late pop star Michael Jackson of molesting him in the early 1990s. On November 5, 2009, Evan was found dead in his New Jersey apartment from an apparent suicide, having shot a bullet through his head.

Evan Chandler's son accused Michael Jackson of molestation (Getty) According to Radar Online, a Jersey City Police Department spokesman said, "We have ruled it as suicide because he was found with a gun held to his body and had a single bullet wound to the side of his head. Mr. Chandler was 65. There was no note found in the apartment but officers did find medication in keeping with a serious medical condition."

In 1994, Jordan Chandler claimed Michael Jackson had sexually abused him, and an investigation began. Jordan and Evan also filed a civil suit, but Jackson settled and the case never went to trial. Both Michael and the Chandlers signed a confidentiality agreement so that the terms of the settlement would not be divulged, though it was rumored to be millions of dollars.

Jordan reportedly got a restraining order against his father in 2006 after claiming he attacked him with a dumbbell.

......

oh the guilt....

[Cadence71]

I Heart Kelt.

[TheNotherOne]

According to TMZ, even Dr. Conrad FREAKIN' Murray, the guy who administered the fatal dose of Propofol to MJ, is trying to sue AEG because they didn't pay him for services rendered to MJ...up to and including administering the fatal dose of propofol. What is WITH people?????? Does no one have any sense of shame--or personal responsibility--anymore????

[JefeStone]

From Contact Music

MICHAEL JACKSON's vocal on concert rehearsal movie THIS IS IT has been enhanced by old recordings of his songs.
The film, which features footage of the King Of Pop practising for his ill-fated comeback shows, has taken more than $200 million (£125 million) at the worldwide box office.
Music experts claim Jackson's strong singing is down to clever editing, with former BBC senior studio manager Andrew Rose insisting footage of the Thriller icon belting out Earth Song is fake.
He says the performance vocal has been lifted from a demo available on YouTube.com, adding: "Throughout the film sudden changes in vocal timbre suggest the dropping in of older recordings which may have required significant digital manipulation to fit the new live backing."
And now bosses at Sony Pictures, who produced the picture, admit they were forced to use old Jackson performances to aid the sound quality of the footage.
Spokesman Jim Kennedy says, "In order to fulfil Michael's vision for his fans and his children... the filmmakers had to incorporate some pre-existing materials, including vocals, where the rehearsal footage audio was incomplete and/or inaudible.
"In addition, usage of master recordings (such as Earth Song) was credited in the end titles."

[DHfromTN]

Originally Posted by JefeStone

From Contact Music

MICHAEL JACKSON's vocal on concert rehearsal movie THIS IS IT has been enhanced by old recordings of his songs.
The film, which features footage of the King Of Pop practising for his ill-fated comeback shows, has taken more than $200 million (£125 million) at the worldwide box office.
Music experts claim Jackson's strong singing is down to clever editing, with former BBC senior studio manager Andrew Rose insisting footage of the Thriller icon belting out Earth Song is fake.
He says the performance vocal has been lifted from a demo available on YouTube.com, adding: "Throughout the film sudden changes in vocal timbre suggest the dropping in of older recordings which may have required significant digital manipulation to fit the new live backing."
And now bosses at Sony Pictures, who produced the picture, admit they were forced to use old Jackson performances to aid the sound quality of the footage.
Spokesman Jim Kennedy says, "In order to fulfil Michael's vision for his fans and his children... the filmmakers had to incorporate some pre-existing materials, including vocals, where the rehearsal footage audio was incomplete and/or inaudible.
"In addition, usage of master recordings (such as Earth Song) was credited in the end titles."

Well any real fan can tell you that. I knew it the minute Earth Song started, but I figured it was because of poor sound or maybe he just didnt sing enough in practicing that song they felt they would have to add the track in order to even include it in the film.. Its not a big deal. It doesnt prove he couldnt sing, he sounded amazing on Human Nature.

[desertangel]

Michael Jackson's concert movie This Is It is heading for the small screen after network bosses at MTV have secured rights to air the documentary in 2011.
The movie is a collection of rehearsal footage from the 50 London shows Jackson was scheduled to perform from July.
This Is It premiered worldwide in October and has already taken nearly $223 million at the worldwide box office.
And now Jackson is set to moonwalk into TV viewers' homes after the cable network secured exclusive rights in the U.S.
MTV has a six-year window to air the movie beginning in 2011.
Network president Van Toffler says, "Michael Jackson has always been inextricably tied to our viewers as they witnessed his evolution from a talented performer to a global icon who redefined music. Now, with this film, we can help give his fans a chance to see his final performance."

[TheLazenby]

I'm actually amazed that he sang live as much as he did in that movie, because lipsynching is just part of his show. He just can't sing and dance at the same time.

Can't hold it against the guy.

[candleinthewind]

Papa Joe's pimp hand is strong so if there is money to be made he will release the pictures and charge admission to see them. He has gone to court to demand cash from the estate and he has been denied. I think first, he will auction off or exhibit for pay any personal items he has from MJ. Next we will see Paris, Prince, Blanket dancing and singing in the Michael Jackson trio presented by JOE JACKSON. After that he will sell Michael Jackson replica noses through his website. Then LaToya will hold seances where for a small fee you can ask questions about the King of Pop. After that, we will see the death photos.

[DeadLikeMe]

I'm late! I've just found out this thread has been open since August and I'm probably not going to read back three months. So what have I been doing to fill my time?

Read Ian Halperin's Book on MJ - Very good
Booked tickets to see Thriller Live again for the third time since January - always excellent
Watched Arnie Klein's interview on TMZ - Good
Saw 'This Is It' - Very good
Watched Sha'Mone Mo Fo Selector on YouTube - Very, very funny
Heard Evan Chandler committed suicide - PRICELESS! I'm thinking of sending his family a congratulations card.

Gosh I hope I don't get banned for talking about myself

[cindyt]

Originally Posted by DeadLikeMe

I'm late! I've just found out this thread has been open since August and I'm probably not going to read back three months. So what have I been doing to fill my time?

Read Ian Halperin's Book on MJ - Very good
Booked tickets to see Thriller Live again for the third time since January - always excellent
Watched Arnie Klein's interview on TMZ - Good
Saw 'This Is It' - Very good
Watched Sha'Mone Mo Fo Selector on YouTube - Very, very funny
Heard Evan Chandler committed suicide - PRICELESS! I'm thinking of sending his family a congratulations card.

Gosh I hope I don't get banned for talking about myself

Lol.

[Alanwench]

Originally Posted by candleinthewind

Papa Joe's pimp hand is strong so if there is money to be made he will release the pictures and charge admission to see them. He has gone to court to demand cash from the estate and he has been denied. I think first, he will auction off or exhibit for pay any personal items he has from MJ. Next we will see Paris, Prince, Blanket dancing and singing in the Michael Jackson trio presented by JOE JACKSON. After that he will sell Michael Jackson replica noses through his website. Then LaToya will hold seances where for a small fee you can ask questions about the King of Pop. After that, we will see the death photos.

LMAO! Sad part of it is that you're probably right. Do you think that Joe would ensure that my replica nose would arrive before Christmas.

[cindyt]

Originally Posted by Alanwench

LMAO! Sad part of it is that you're probably right. Do you think that Joe would ensure that my replica nose would arrive before Christmas.

[cindyt]

Auction.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/atlanta...xntlid=thbz_hm

[neilmpenny]

Wonder whether he wanked with it on?

[DeadLikeMe]

That would explain the high pitched noises he made.

Originally Posted by neilmpenny

Wonder whether he wanked with it on?

[John carpenter]

Jackson Moonwalk Glove Sells for $350,000 in N.Y.
The shimmering, white glove Michael Jackson wore when he premiered his trademark moonwalk dance in 1983 was auctioned off for $350,000 - plus tax - on Saturday.

Winning bidder Hoffman Ma of Hong Kong will pay $420,000, including taxes and fees, for the rhinestone-studded, modified golf glove Jackson wore on his left hand for his moonwalk on Motown's 25th anniversary TV special.

The glove was the top item in a collection of Jackson memorabilia on the block at the Hard Rock Cafe in Times Square. Its pre-auction estimate was $40,000 to $60,000.

"It was a fairly good discount," said Ma, a 36-year-old Jackson fan who bought the pop-music treasure on behalf of the Ponte 16 Resort Hotel in Macau.

As the price of the glove soared, fans roared and squealed - echoing the kind of frenzy that accompanied the late pop star when he toured the world.

"That's what death brings upon celebrity," said Brendan Doyle, a college student munching chicken fingers from a plate in his lap. "Jackson's death was such a tragedy at such a young age that it pushed up prices."

The pop icon, who died June 25 at 50, had given the glove to Walter "Clyde" Orange, of the singing group the Commodores.

A jacket that Jackson wore on his 1989 "Bad" tour fetched $225,000 - 20 times its low estimate of $8,000.

The sale, held by Los Angeles-based Julien's Auctions, also included a fedora Jackson wore for the moonwalk. It sold for $22,000, against a $2,000 high estimate.

New Yorker Linda Derogene said she was willing to spend up to $5,000 for a material link to the performer she's idolized all her life, but never got a chance to see in concert.

"I can't even tell you what it would mean for me. It would be like a dream come true," she said as she waited to bid on something she could afford.

There was no doubt that Jackson dominated the auction dubbed "Music Icons" - of more than 300 items belonging to stars from Elvis Presley and the Beatles to Mariah Carey. The musicians' clothing and instruments filled the small Rock Cafe stage, with two giant photos of Jackson on either side and a huge picture of his famed glove at the center.

Buyers paid the gavel price, plus a 20 percent auction house premium for items over $50,000, and 25 percent for those costing less.

[sablegsd]

Originally Posted by tamiele

I think what we are talking about here, without trying to label it, is that "thing" that made Michael Jackson the biggest superstar of all time. What is it that has people selling their first born just to get a ticket to his concert? What is it that has other famous people buying tickets and flying over to London to see him in concert too. I listen to enough music and follow enough artists to know that the reaction to MJ is larger than life, it is electrifying. There likely isn't a term to properly define it....because it is rare and we don't see it very often...and maybe we never will again.

MJ couldn't hold a candle to real musical genius. Freddy Mercury for example. Now THAT was an electrifying show. MJ? Bubblegum squeeky voiced, special effects wannabe. And his dance? ppfftt The only thing he ever did that was remotely good was the moonwalk, and he stole that.

[Nessa]

I am an MJ fan from way back, but oh man, Freddie Mercury did have a voice, wow! They were both champs at what they did.